Cargojet flying on behalf of Amerijet?
Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:36 pm
Heard a rumor that Cargojet is flying freight on behalf of Amerijet in the States while their pilots are on strike. Is this true? If it is, that is not cool.
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.....this should go over well...Obbie wrote:Cargojet Pilots = xxxx
This is true, however, there are other ways to deal with it other than straight out refusing. I don't believe in being a "SCAB"....It isn't cool.Troubleshot wrote:I would say any CargoJet pilot that refused to fly given the current state of the industry would be quickly shown the door. It is the company (CargoJet) that is making the decision to deploy their aircraft south of the border, not the pilot group.
Exactly...these guys have kids to feed too. They have no choice on which flying they can and cannot do. Sorry kids, its a horribly ugly industry.teacher wrote:Not cool to be back stabbing fellow pilots however with no union protection themselves, any CJ pilot refusing to do this work would surely be fired.
No surprise though.
Changes in Latitudes wrote:Exactly...these guys have kids to feed too. They have no choice on which flying they can and cannot do. Sorry kids, its a horribly ugly industry.teacher wrote:Not cool to be back stabbing fellow pilots however with no union protection themselves, any CJ pilot refusing to do this work would surely be fired.
No surprise though.
Ok then, what is their course of action in this scenario? Crew Sked calls this afternoon, its a charter to Dallas. You arrive at the airport to find that the flight information has Amerijet all over it. You now do what???FLYN FR8 wrote:Changes in Latitudes wrote:Exactly...these guys have kids to feed too. They have no choice on which flying they can and cannot do. Sorry kids, its a horribly ugly industry.teacher wrote:Not cool to be back stabbing fellow pilots however with no union protection themselves, any CJ pilot refusing to do this work would surely be fired.
No surprise though.
They are scabs. God bless their souls they will not find work at any decent union carrier.
If America came into Canada to break a strike your socialist government would be all over CNN crying rape.
Changes in Latitudes wrote:
Ok then, what is their course of action in this scenario? Crew Sked calls this afternoon, its a charter to Dallas. You arrive at the airport to find that the flight information has Amerijet all over it. You now do what???
http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRelea ... 995&EDATE=Labor Rallies to Support Striking Amerijet Pilots, Flight Engineers
Amerijet Now Attempting To Outsource Cargo Operations to Foreign Carrier
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla., Aug. 30 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Teamster pilots and flight engineers of Fort Lauderdale-based Amerijet Air Cargo remain on strike in their demands for a first contract providing for fair wages and benefits and safe and sanitary working conditions.
Major passenger and cargo airline pilot groups across the United States have joined with the 62 Amerijet flight deck crewmembers and are showing their support for the South Florida-based pilots, flight engineers and their families. In addition to those pilot groups from the U.S. cargo and passenger airlines that have promised to not carry Amerijet freight on their aircraft, several major national trucking firms have also joined in support, including UPS, YRC and ABF. At Miami International Airport, Teamster-represented maintenance workers and cleaners are also refusing to cross the picket lines at the cargo facility on the west side of the airport.
In a desperate attempt to begin moving hundreds of thousands of pounds of perishable and time-critical freight that is growing daily since Thursday when the airline walked out of negotiations, Amerijet's management is now attempting to hire foreign airlines to stem the backlog of undelivered freight. The Teamsters are also fielding reports that Amerijet management has begun a campaign of threatening crewmembers if they don't cross the picket lines.
Pilots from UPS, Atlas Air, and Kalitta, all of which are Amerijet competitors, have joined the Amerijet pilots and flight engineers in large numbers. Additionally, the pilot unions at American, US Airways, Southwest and others have joined the Amerijet pilots and flight engineers on the picket lines and are contributing their time and money in support. Other South Florida unions, as well as organized labor in the Caribbean and South America, are also supporting the strikers.
Florida Democrat U.S. Rep Alcee Hastings is deeply troubled and concerned that Amerijet has exhibited such a cavalier and callous disregard for the safety and sanitary conditions of its pilots and flight engineers. Hastings is a nationally and internationally acclaimed champion of working people, and works tirelessly to protect their fundamental human rights. He also is dismayed that any air transportation company would insist on a sick leave policy that punishes people for calling off sick by docking their pay. Such a policy, especially when used by Amerijet against its pilots and flight engineers - who are among the lowest paid in the entire industry - forces the crewmembers to fly sick. Such a policy is dangerous and unsafe. It is also eerily similar to the commuter air tragedy in Buffalo, N.Y., earlier this year, where one of the pilots killed in that terrible accident was so sick that she should not even have entered to cockpit but felt that she could not afford to call off sick.
Hastings says he is also concerned that Amerijet's largest stock holder, a Miami-based investment company HIG Capital, has not taken steps to ensure that Amerijet maintains safe, sanitary and fair working conditions. The Teamsters are also troubled by HIG's apparent lack of concern over this matter. No company should capitalize on the misery of its workers. The Teamsters are hopeful that HIG Capital will play a constructive role in resolving the dispute caused by Amerijet's management team.
The Teamsters urge Amerijet's CEO David Bassett to his senses and correct the mess that he and his management team have created. Had he spent as much time negotiating in good faith and integrity as has trying to break the spirit of the striking pilots and flight engineers with intimidation, lies and fear, there would never have been a strike. Instead, he and his management team have misled Amerijet's customers and are now trying desperately to find foreign airlines and employees who will take U.S. jobs and fly a small portion of his customers' cargo to cover up for his bad management.
There is also a concern that Bassett is scrambling to move to market -- on a priority basis over Amerijet's other customers -- perishable fish from another company in which he holds an ownership interest. Since he has been unsuccessful in having U.S. carriers' pilots cross the picket lines, earlier today he and his management team turned to Ontario, Canada-based Cargojet Ltd., to enter the United States and fly across the picket lines.
Today, Cargojet flew into Miami to pick up Amerijet's cargo that is set for delivery to Port of Spain, Trinidad. In outsourcing its cargo operations to a foreign airline, they are signaling that they have no interest in being an honest American company and will bring as many foreign nationals as needed into the U.S. to take American jobs and make a profit off American workers.
Founded in 1903, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents more than 1.4 million hardworking men and women throughout the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico.
SOURCE International Brotherhood of Teamsters
Yeah, well look what a capitalist government that you guys seem to keep electing does for ya...If America came into Canada to break a strike your socialist government would be all over CNN crying rape.
I am not a scab, I fly under a large union banner, don't start with that. My point was it's a very difficult situation to BE PUT IN. Cargojet pilots are PUT in this place and are left with a tough decision that I think is a lose-lose scenario. Pass on the work, you may just pass on your job.FLYN FR8 wrote:
Are you a scab?
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It's easy to get emotionally charged over this. I've seen it, heard it, and lived it before.The Clipper wrote:Any pilot called upon to do his/her job is obligated to perform the task at hand....end of story. The fact that Cargojet was a foreign operator only fuels the fire in the middle of a job action. It had nothing to do with their pilots or nationality so posting their pictures and calling our brothers scabs is a bit too much.
If Cargojet did do some sub-service flying for Amerijet - they did so because they are a non-union organization. Ever stop and ask yourself why they are a non-union organization? Could it be that they are treated better than Union Shops that tend to have contemptuous relationships with their membership and management?
I feel for my colleagues to the south and hope some of the work rules they have had to endure are embellished. I wish them a speedy end to this dispute.
Flyn Fr8 - I guess you are just one of those simple minded, hard nose, unistic people who don't understand simple commerce.FLYN FR8 wrote:You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.
CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.
FLYN FR8 wrote:You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.
CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.
Dude...I fought my battle 18 years ago...it's a $shit a$$ situation for EVERYONE involved. I respect your opinion...because I've been there. Not many on here can say that. Not many on here can say that. However, in my tested experience, targeting the pilots group @ CJ is unfair...and it's also unfair of me to say that (for too many reasons to write) but that is the reality.FLYN FR8 wrote: You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.
...and then what brother? It was announced here years back that all the Jetsgo pilots names were also taken down by some AC pilots that vowed they would never work there. Thankfully, they have all moved on. On to AC, WJ, Transat and over seas jobs. It is, what it is.FLYN FR8 wrote: CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.
[/quote]You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.
I love how unions work, veiled threats and intimidation. I have seen it many times before. And you have the balls to call us socialists.
FLYN FR8 wrote:You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.
CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.