Taxiing and CARS

[TwigPig]

Here is a question for those that can understand the CARS.
What is the rule for taxiing an aircraft from one spot on an airport to another when the vis is under 1/2 mile. Can you do it legally? Your not taxiing for departure just to position.
Ideas?

[nookie201]

Unless you take the taxi lights out at an uncontrolled airport, nobody cares , there's thread somewhere on it already, I have a link somwehere and will post when I find it.


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[turbo-prop]

You can't taxi anywhere on the airport when the weather is below 1/2 mile unless the airport is certified for 1/4 mile or 1/8 mile(RVR600). Doesn't matter if it is 6 miles on one side of the airport, if the other side is saying less than 1/2 mile via RVR or vis you can't taxi.

[Rockie]

Here is a question for those that can understand the CARS.
What is the rule for taxiing an aircraft from one spot on an airport to another when the vis is under 1/2 mile. Can you do it legally? Your not taxiing for departure just to position.
Ideas?

Yes you may provided:

a) The aircraft has commenced taxiing for the purpose of takeoff.
b) The aircraft is taxiing after conducting a landing, or:
c) The aircraft is taxiing on the maneuvering area for other purposes and is taxiing in accordance with the aerodrome's published RVOP/LVOP.

If there is no RVOP or LVOP then you may not. See CAPGEN page 11.

BTW this is not TC's fault. They simply required aerodromes to have certain facilities on the airfield that would permit safer low visibility operations, and they gave them a couple of years to comply. If they couldn't install the infrastructure in that time then they could develop RVOP/LVOP's in lieu of, that would permit them to still operate in reduced/low visibility conditions but at a lower rate until they could install the equipment. Most airports chose to build parking garages and Starbuck's outlets instead of making your low visibility operations safer so you can blame them.

[Rockie]

Rockie, TC just cant duck the plame on this, sending a NPR to the average airport manager is not enough, most lack any technical expertise in aviation, they are simply mangers of the comercial side of things, thats why our Capital airport has a million dollar waterfall, an ex PMs frigin paddle boat but still has the same landing limits as in the fifties when we did LF Range aproaches! When it comes to landing aids Ottawa is a third world airport.TCs mandate is to oversee aviation, not wash their hands of any thing to do with it , they are by the way headed towards this by requiring totally absurd SMS studies for little airports so as to force these places to de certify, again nothing to do with safety.the solution is to make the public understand that when their aircraft misses the apch in what is OK weather the blame must go to the whole totally flawed privitisation thing and lack of real oversight by the regulator, dont blame the guys/girls in the pointy end or the airline, I met with one airport manager who was totally in the dark when it came to this taxi ban, gues which airport!

Can't disagree with most of what you're saying here Clunk. YOW's airport is a national embarrassment when it comes to facilities. I'm sure the crew of AF1 was wondering what kind of backwater podunk airport they were flying into a while back. But if an airport cannot afford a proper operations manager and the general manager is not up to the job then that isn't TC's fault. This isn't rocket science. If an airport manager recieves a directive to improve the operations infrastructure and he/she doesn't understand them, then how good are they if they aren't even capable of asking someone who does?

[Tiny Voices]

Just waiting for the day that an airplane rolls or slides into their precious terminal (YOW) because the apron slopes so severely down towards the building. C'mon! What is, a 14 foot elevation change from the ramp to the gates?

[ScudRunner]

You can't taxi anywhere on the airport when the weather is below 1/2 mile unless the airport is certified for 1/4 mile or 1/8 mile(RVR600). Doesn't matter if it is 6 miles on one side of the airport, if the other side is saying less than 1/2 mile via RVR or vis you can't taxi.

Ya encountered that in YYC in the spring I was on the South Side and could see the tower and for that matter Downtown and the Rockies. So I called up and was informed that vis was whatever and to hold position. Uh excuse me? Your coming in stupid, I can see you in the tower if you look now I'm using hand signals. Friggen Weak rule why is this even necessary cue Dumbing down of Aviation thread, YEG would have been cool about shit but oooooh noooo Calgary gets their panties in a bind when two aircraft are on arrival they seriously need to get some real tin pushers in there. Ok there are a few that work it but Weak deal overall. Get some ground based Radar and put some lights in the taxi way for low vis ops if you want to act like a big time airport start working like one.

That's just my opinion I could be wrong.

[Rockie]

one of the problems is the make up of the BODs of many airports, often

Given what's happened in the financial world I would say BOD's everywhere (not just airports) are as useless as breasts on a male bovine.