PERIMETER AUDIT

HARLEYD67 · Post by **HARLEYD67** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:33 pm

What I hear......Perimeter has a National Audit on the go. Is this correct? I imagine though, they should pull this one off as they have experience.....O.C. pulled twice and back up again.

Snap Roll · Post by **Snap Roll** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:38 pm

I imagine T.C. will take a close look at the books. I heard there were a couple engine shutdowns during the past few years.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:16 pm

Holy rumours!

When did PAG have it's OC pulled? Twice?

And inflight shutdowns? So what? None have been caused by faulty maintenance. 1 last year was a bad gearbox, and another this year was a cracked oil filter housing.

PAG will do fine on the audit.

snag · Post by **snag** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:36 pm

I hope they do well.

They should have no problem, especially now that they have half of Skyward's rampies working there.

see-why-wg · Post by **see-why-wg** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:53 pm

HOLY CRAP! You guys and the rumours...You're worse than a bunch of housewives at the hairdresser!
TC does a major audit every 3-4 years. It is largely a coincidence that all the crap with Skyward's came up at the same time as Perimeter was getting ready for theirs.
Perimeter has nothing to worry about--they don't scrimp on maintenence and they are able to see beyond the end of their noses when it comes to short-term savings vs. long-term penalties and safety issues.
Re: shutting down engines--I thought that this was a site for trained pilots. Since when is shutting down an engine and making an uneventful safe landing newsworthy? Isn't that why we have 2 engines and spend $30 grand to learn how to fly when one quits? I would expect such uninformed hysteria from the uninitiated but not from anyone who should know better.
I would be interested to know how often Air Canada, Westjet or anyone else flying "real" airplanes shuts down an engine without it making the newspaper; I am really sick of the swashbuckling, deathdefying bushpilot image of anyone who flies into northern Manitoba. Just because the planes are smaller and the clientele are often a bit rough around the edges doesn't mean that northern operators/pilots are doing anything unsafe or anything that the majors aren't doing.
Anyways, that's my 2 cents, which is pretty good seeing as I work the ramp and don't have 2 pennies to rub together.
Peace out.

Snap Roll · Post by **Snap Roll** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:22 pm

In light of several national audits in the recent past and the fact some operations lost thier O.C. , it seems that a trend may be set (hopfully not!).

I would imagine these companies thought everything was fine, knowing fully that an audit does occure every 4-5 years. I do not think anybody would operate thier company just to have it shutdown.

Just remember T.C. does take courses for audits.

I hope all goes well, not just for Perimeter but other companies as well.

For the fact that engine shutdowns do occur, yes they do!, however, it does raise the flags a little!

KISS_MY_TCAS · Post by **KISS_MY_TCAS** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:20 am

HAHAHA!! This place is ridiculous, Perimeter gets a routine audit, and two guys who together have less than 10 posts here slag the company. Last time I checked, Perimeter was an approved overhaul facility for Garrets, so, I think they are in pretyy safe hands there. Perhaps TC will have a look around to make sure thier overhaul specs are in order but I think engine problems on the lawn darts is the least of any concern in that operation. I seriously doubt Perimeter will have any problems on thier audit other than the usual (which is none other than TC having to dig hard to find that the T's weren't crossed on a document, even though everything else on the document is up to standard). n00bz...

switchflicker · Post by **switchflicker** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:59 am

What's a NATIOAL audit vs a regional audit?

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:30 am

Disco Stu

Holy rumours!

Shoes on the other foot now. If I remember correctly in the Skyward thread you were the mill. Just funny how you've changed your tune now that involves the green machine.

lost up north · Post by **lost up north** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:21 am

Holy rumours!

Funny no little birdies on this one, all the little birdies must have been green

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:42 am

Agreed

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:17 am

Audits are all about paper. As long as you've push the correct mounds of paperwork, you pass the audit with flying colours.

If the paper's not perfect, but the aircraft are, you're in serious trouble.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:26 pm

So what's your point?

Wow, 3 newbies teaming up against me. I had better defend myself to prevent me from having to hang my head in shame, never to be heard from again.

I defended the rumours that 2 newbies to the forum decided to spread. All I said was "Holy rumours"! I didn't make any comment other than that about them, so obviously they didn't bother me. So I addressed them, seeing as how I am probably in a position to know the truth.

Funny how none of what I said about Skyward was ever addressed as being untrue. In fact, most of it came to me from Skyward pilots, rampies, and counter agents.

However PAG hasn't had their OC pulled twice. And every company has inflight shutdowns, but that part has been addressed by someone else.

Rumours are great, I enjoy them for their entertainment value tremendously. Whether they are about PAG or otherwise. But when they are about PAG, and untrue, I will address them as I am somewhat biased.

So the kettle isn't quite black yet, just a little tarnished.

HARLEYD67 · Post by **HARLEYD67** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:01 pm

Regards to Perimeter's OC being pulled..this is information that was given to me by a Perimeter employee...

1st timer · Post by **1st timer** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:56 pm

The OC might have been pulled before Disco's time. Therefore it never happened.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:19 pm

Hey, I'll be the first one to eat crow.

A beer to whoever can show me when the last time PAG's OC was pulled.

Geez, I am getting beat on by the smart ass newbies

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:27 pm

A word of caution Disco, one might be a newbie on AvCanada, but perhaps not a newbie in the industry!

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:15 pm

Apperently what you know, and your flying experience is based on how many posts you make on this silly little site. Maybe I should start putting it on my resume.

Im not saying the "newbies" (as Stu says) are right/wrong, but what does how many posts you've made matter???

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:14 pm

Tibor wrote:Apperently what you know, and your flying experience is based on how many posts you make on this silly little site. Maybe I should start putting it on my resume.

Im not saying the "newbies" (as Stu says) are right/wrong, but what does how many posts you've made matter???

Agreed.

However we have all grown weary of the 'Trolls' the folks that regularly post, and make up a new name to post one controversial post just to stir things up. Also, this forum has become a community, where people have known reputations. I suppose if one is new, it's a little harder to trust them. So that may be the source of being scared of "newbies".

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:29 am

The point I am trying to make is maybe establish some credibility first instead of using your first 5 posts to bash another company or person.

I have no problems with rumours, it's the unsubstantiated bashing that I don't like (or do).

Benwa · Post by **Benwa** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:48 am

I wonder if one day we'll be able to pay Joe, let's say 30K$, to get our # of posts higher ?

Or maybe we should set up a second forum... where newbies could go and earn their right to post on AvCanada ! We could call it rampies.ca

Then everybody posting on AvCanada would have paid their dues to the Canadian "Cyber" Aviation Community.

Hey, why not ask for some sort of PPC on FlightSim...

Snap Roll · Post by **Snap Roll** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:45 am

Hey everyone RELAX!!! I think I am almost to five posts!, so if I get out of line just steer this young buck in the right direction. Who needs a fresh opinion anyway!

Your mistrust is missguided in this case, however, we are getting off the subject. I am trying to see if there is a new trend at T.C.

What happened to thier "Hi I am (insert name) from T.C., I am here to help."
introduction? It seems everything in aviation is cyclic including treatment from regulating authorities.

Snap Roll · Post by **Snap Roll** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:54 am

"I defended the rumours that 2 newbies to the forum decided to spread."

Disco Stu, if you look at my origional post I didn't start any rumors but simply made an observation that you later admit to.

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:49 am

This is so exciting. Which sounds better: "Newbiegate" or "The Newbie Scandal"

UC-64A · Post by **UC-64A** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:16 pm

Not to worry, perimeter as far as I can tell quite solid in all aspects I've been around the industry for quite awhile and have seen good and bad. Perimeter is quite serious about doing it right the first time anything less is not tolerated.
We've got nowhere to go but up we'll see you there, my sides done !!

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