# of Jumpseats on Air Canada A/C

[HuD 91gt]

Hello Everyone,

Tomorrow for the first time I am taking advantage of the reciprocal jumpseat agreement with Air Canada. According to our agreement AC allows 1 jumpseating pilot for every available jumpseat in the flight deck. Since I am not familiar with many of the A/C types, do they all have just a single jumpseat, or do some of the larger aircraft have multiple? They may help out in future planning.

Thanks in advance, looking forward to tomorrow.

Cheers,
HuD 91gt

[tonysoprano]

All Embs have one j/s. Most 319/20/21 have one but some 320s (400 series fins) have two. All widebodies have two.

[Grey_Wolf]

http://jumpseat.alpa.org/

[WestCoast_AV8]

Hey, question on to this topic.

First off, I want to say a big thanks to the Air Canada Captains who have helped me commute home with jumpseating. I'm very enthused that Air Canada has a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with my US based airline. We definitly welcome AC pilots who require a jump somewhere.

Just curious on the AC rule to accomodate as many pilots as there is jumpseats. I had the scenario a few months back where there was both a WJ pilot and myself listing to jump on a embraer with 30 open seats in the back. Only one of us could go. Wasnt a big problem or worry, I caught the next flight. The agent and captain were nice and dissapointed that they couldnt accomodate both of us for that flight. I still eventually made it home and was very appreciative.

A large majority of airlines in the US no longer use this rule and accomodate as many jumpseaters as there is open seats. Is there any chance Air Canada will eventually switch the current jumpseat rule to accomodate more jumpseaters to open cabin seats?

thanks again

[Clyde River]

A lot depends on the gate agent, and the mood that they are in. I'm pretty sure most pilots could care less whether there are more than the # of j/s on the aircraft, and would accommodate you if the agent was ok with it.

Clyde

[JazzJetDriver]

Any captain that does that is risking disciplenary action if he/she were to do that. The rules are clear, jumpseaters must not exceed the amount of j/seats installed. It does not matter what they feel, this is a privilege provided by the company. By breaking the rules the whole j/s program is jeopordised. How would you like to be the one responsible for having the company shut the program down?

[fundi]

well then lets get it sorted out. where did that idea or rule come from? some of these rules have just evolved from a couple generations ago, or where transfered from some smaller type of machine. Obviously filling 30 empty seats with j/s'ers doesn't make economical sense, but the chances of that are slim to none. common sense should/needs to prevail. I realize we have to follow the rules, but some of them are real dumb, and there isn't a rule for everything-you might have to use your grey matter one day!! good luck.

be safe, cheers!

[Rockie]

well then lets get it sorted out. where did that idea or rule come from? some of these rules have just evolved from a couple generations ago, or where transfered from some smaller type of machine. Obviously filling 30 empty seats with j/s'ers doesn't make economical sense, but the chances of that are slim to none. common sense should/needs to prevail. I realize we have to follow the rules, but some of them are real dumb, and there isn't a rule for everything-you might have to use your grey matter one day!! good luck.

be safe, cheers!

Allowing pilots from other airlines to sit in your jumpseat is a courtesy extended by the host company. It is not the company's fault that Transport Canada won't let the pilot actually sit in the flight deck. But the company is still willing to extend that courtesy to pilots from other companies as long as the passes issued don't exceed the number of jumpseats in the flightdeck. What's dumb about that? It's a courtesy.

[CD]

it is not the company's fault that Transport Canada won't let the pilot actually sit in the flight deck...

Actually, I think that may still be a restriction imposed by the company as TC had provided an exemption permitting other pilots in the flight deck. Here is the most recent version from the website (it expired on September 30th so I presume that a replacement might be posted soon ):

EXEMPTION FROM SUBSECTION 705.27(3) OF THE CANADIAN AVIATION REGULATIONS

The purpose of this exemption is to permit Canadian air operators and pilots-in-command to grant admission to the flight deck of their aeroplane on domestic flights to pilots employed by other Canadian air operators commuting to or from their flight assignments, subject to the conditions below.

Link to full exemption here...

[Jastapilot]

WJ's only limit for the allowable number of recip jumpseats is open seats in the cabin, so it's not a TC limitation. We could potentially have a planeload of recip pilots onboard.

[CAL]

Ya I had an issue with this recently...but at the end of the day its a free ride....I may not make it home for dinner but we know the risks...it sucks but all you can do is say ok, no problem maybe next time...I would say 99% of the time they would want you to get home but not worth the risk...it seems though that it is becoming harder and harder to commute...

[WestCoast_AV8]

I definitly understand the concern of maintaining the policy in regards to the jumpseat privelege program.

I'm only asking if ACPA or AC has looked to change this policy to allow as many jumpseaters as there are open cabin seats?

the WJ pilot I was talking to in this scenario was saying they allow as many jump seaters as there are open cabin seats.

Would be nice if the policy changes to get more guys on in a open flight, but I still respect any company's policy. Jump seating is definitly a privelege and a company can set there rules however they decide.

[Jastapilot]

The difference is it's not free on WJ, it's 2.50 plus applicable taxes and fees.

[Slipstream]

The difference is it's not free on WJ, it's 2.50 plus applicable taxes and fees.

Hey Jastafairy,

Since, Feb 2009 you have had over 430 posts. Tonight you are on the AC, WJ and Gen forums and are giving us your valuable insights. Do you not have anything else to do ? I believe you are a lonely man / woman who likes to stir the pot. I on the other hand only comment on the AC stuff. Why don't you concentrate your wisdom on the WJ forum and keep your bullsh*t there. Your comments have even been printed off after one of us gets you going and spread around. I await your response to share with the AC boys - atleast the ones who want to retire at 60. Maybe if you try real hard a " big Boy " ( as you tried to insult Tony ) like you can reach the 1000 mark by Feb 2010. PS How's your recovery going ?

[Rockie]

I on the other hand only comment on the AC stuff.

Not true as the above post proves. You insist on publicly displaying the worst kind of churlish petulence imaginable in an adult, and it is made all the worse by identifying yourself as a supposedly mature and professional Air Canada pilot.

Go back to the playground where you belong. You embarrass me.

[twinpratts]

[tonysoprano]

Rockie. Any respect you've worked so hard to achieve on this forum has just suffered a major setback. Sorry dude, but you should pick your battles a little more carefully.

[Jastapilot]

Tony, the fact that you defend Slipstream is evidence enough. Grow up you guys.

Slipstream, if I had the time or energy, I'd look back and try to figure out what I did to so offend your kind intentions. After all, you've always had thoughtfull and well-balanced posts right from the beginning of your Avcanada posting career. Except not.

[Slipstream]

Tony, the fact that you defend Slipstream is evidence enough. Grow up you guys.

Slipstream, if I had the time or energy, I'd look back and try to figure out what I did to so offend your kind intentions. After all, you've always had thoughtfull and well-balanced posts right from the beginning of your Avcanada posting career. Except not.

Jasta - You have the time - that is evident.

Rockie - I do have a certain way a saying things only on this forum - but your comment means nothing to me. Why ? - because many of your 2500 + posts have a similar flavour as mine - you just like to believe you are above many of us. I just don't care what you guys think. By the way if you believe I would talk like this to friends or other pilots at AC 9 on a real forum ) you are wrong. I am just following the flavour of many posts that are on this forum. Some of it good and some bad. Just to be clear - you can say whatever you want about me - I find it funny and I don't care what you think.

[Jastapilot]

Tony, the fact that you defend Slipstream is evidence enough. Grow up you guys.

Slipstream, if I had the time or energy, I'd look back and try to figure out what I did to so offend your kind intentions. After all, you've always had thoughtfull and well-balanced posts right from the beginning of your Avcanada posting career. Except not.

Jasta - You have the time - that is evident.

Actually, my spare time comes and goes, but you're right, I do have the time, just not really for you since you're not worth my energy.
Cheers.

[Rockie]

Rockie. Any respect you've worked so hard to achieve on this forum has just suffered a major setback. Sorry dude, but you should pick your battles a little more carefully.

I don't work hard to achieve respect on this forum Tony, some things I just call as I see them. On the other hand I have worked hard keeping a certain debate at a level that is sorely needed but missing, which hasn't been easy given the brainless vitriol spewed by too many people.

I am an Air Canada pilot. Being associated with some others identified as Air Canada pilots sometimes fills me with shame and embarrassment, and that I will continue to call as I see it. Not only should we be better than that, but we definitely want the public to percieve us as better than that. I don't care if slipstream is actually much better mannered when speaking face to face with his fellow pilots. His true feelings and maturity level are on full display here in public and you should be concerned as well.

[tonysoprano]

His true feelings and maturity level are on full display here in public and you should be concerned as well.

I'm not concerned about his display at all. He is defending his company (that means you and me) from a poster who has a reputation of bashing your company and provoking, aka trolling on this website. All you saw was one side. Much like the age 60+. Perhaps not by chance. That just shows how out of touch and self absorbed you are. No need to take this further. You have once again exposed yourself for what you are. You are the one that's embarrassing to the rest of us, not slipstream. Like it or not, he tells the truth.

Jasta.

Grow up you guys.

Excuse me?

[Jastapilot]

Jasta.

Grow up you guys.

Excuse me?

I'll excuse you this time, but you're running out.

[Rockie]

You are the one that's embarrassing to the rest of us, not slipstream. Like it or not, he tells the truth.

So much for giving you the benefit of the doubt. If I was Joe Public taking a casual glance at this site and thinking of flying on Air Canada, I would think again. I want the person flying the airplane I'm on to be mature, professional and competent. I don't want them to be self-indulgent, immature, snot nosed brats with anger management issues. Read slipstreams posts, and some of yours, and try and objectively categorize what you guys sound like.

[tonysoprano]

If I was Joe Public taking a casual glance at this site and thinking of flying on Air Canada, I would think again.

I don't want them to be self-indulgent, immature, snot nosed brats with anger management issues.

Aaaahhhaaa... this coming from an AC shit disturber? Have a look at your own posts and my point is proven.
Right. Ok. I see. In your view, we should sound like you or Jastapilot. Holy crap dude, what can I say? I thought I'd heard it all here but this time I'm speechless.....You take the cake.