RCMP to target speeders from the air...again

[mark_]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/alberta ... 1-sun.html

Will be used on the QE2 and Transcanada west of Calgary. Anyone know what types of aircraft would they be using for this?

[AME 283]

Would be nice if they went after some thing other than speeding, like tail gating, not using signal lights, driving at night or in fog with out lights, improper merging and the list goes on. Guess speeding pays the most. Maybe they should install speed cameras, cheaper than aircraft

[iflyforpie]

We used to provide the aircraft for this in the East Kootenays. Then a member from Cranbrook with a PPL and a rental aircraft enforcing speed limits...

We phoned enforcement (doing 702 Aerial Work without a CPL and AOC), but they didn't do anything.

[AMM]

We phoned enforcement (doing 702 Aerial Work without a CPL and AOC), but they didn't do anything.

Be part of the solution. Don't give others on here any ideas.
Maybe a story about a big fine or a suspension would be preferred.

[MUSKEG]

Why not put speed limits to a reasonably level. Across the border 75mph or 120kph is normal on 4 lane. Vehicles,tires and roads are years better than the sixties yet speeds are the same. The old story that we need to keep speed down to conserve fuel is long grown old, and never was true. Just a convenient band wagon for people to jump on. In Germany you need to take a test to prove you can drive on their freeways, thats a good start. Sunday drivers are just as much a menace on the road as the aggresive driver is.

[canwhitewolf]

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[BoostedNihilist]

Then a member from Cranbrook with a PPL and a rental aircraft enforcing speed limits

And this is legal?

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Im going to go so far as to call the officer with the PPL a fucking scumbag. He could EASILY find a real pilot who works for money, for very little money, to do the flying. That is complete horseshit, not to mention potentially unsafe.

[Jungle Jim]

Guys,

Maybe the poor bugger didn't have a choice. It might have been " either fly the plane or get tazed"!

Jim

[B-rad]

I wonder what would happen for insurance if they got into an accident

[KAG]

The old story that we need to keep speed down to conserve fuel is long grown old, and never was true. Just a convenient band wagon for people to jump on.

Incorrect. You do get better fuel economy doing 90-100 K then doing 120-130. If I drive my Jetta TDI at 90 I get almost 1200 K a tank, if I do 120ish, I only get 1000.
Just pointing that out.

[Check Pilot]

A couple of comments here.

A CAR 702 AOC is not required when aerial surveillance is being carried out unless there is an observer on board. If anyone cares to read the wording of the CAR this would not be "aerial work" as long as the RCMP member is alone in the aircraft. And it will be an RCMP member in the aircraft, not some contractor according to the RCMP press release and also from a number of TV and media reports.

There may be some companies contracted that are CAR 702 certified that may carry an RCMP member as an observer, so the frenzy of comments about the Mounties going beyond the regulations is just a bunch of speculative noise. Those commenting on the RCMP not doing their jobs in a legal manner need to get their heads out in the open air again so the internal intestinal gas smell goes away.

Also, the "bear in the air" will not be just looking for speeders but any other stupid driving tricks that idiots are doing. There was an interview on some Alberta radio stations with the stud buzzard Mountie that said it was more than just a lookout for speeding drivers but also to look out for any other loonatic crap that people do with cars on the highway.

It's about time this has been revived.

It's no longer photo/laser RADAR but now it means demerit points will be issued as well, which just might mean a few folks that can afford to just pay the ticket finally get to be stopped from some dangerous bad habits.

[B-rad]

And the people who can't afford the tickets will really be feeling it when they continue to drive the accepted 10 over the limit or slow right down to a stop sign without coming to a full stop.

Would lunatic crap also mean when people are driving slower then the limit and holding up traffic from the fast lane because they never learned how the road system works in the first place? At least people might stop swerving all over the road if they know someones watching.

[Panama Jack]

I am probably wrong, but is Law Enforcement in Canada subject to CAR 702?

It is my impression that in many parts of the world, when an aircraft gets leased or rented it essentially becomes a State aircraft. State aircraft, acting on business for the Government, are usually exempt from many regulations especially the commercially oriented ones.

[Axial Flow]

CBAA not 702

[Driving Rain]

MUSKEG wrote:
The old story that we need to keep speed down to conserve fuel is long grown old, and never was true. Just a convenient band wagon for people to jump on.


Incorrect. You do get better fuel economy doing 90-100 K then doing 120-130. If I drive my Jetta TDI at 90 I get almost 1200 K a tank, if I do 120ish, I only get 1000.
Just pointing that out.

Wow at 50+ miles to the gallon you get 124 more miles per tank or 2.5 gallons 11 litres more fuel used. So your savings at .80 per litre is $8.60.
The time to travel 1000 k at 90 kph= 11hr and 6 min. At 120 kph it takes 8 hours and 15 min. or 2 hours and 35 minutes shorter. I don't know about you but my time is worth more than $8.60/ 2.6= $3.30 hr.
That's why I drive my TDI at 120kph.

Just pointing that out

[MUSKEG]

What I meant to say was that the implied oil shortage in the 70's was a convienient band wagon for those so inclined to jump on. Supply was withheld but there was never an oil shortage. My time is worth more than 4 bucks an hour. Oh wait......................... I'm a pilot so let me refigure that.

[_dwj_]

I think these days it is mostly for safety reasons rather than to conserve oil. If you have ever driven on highway 2 in Calgary you know that there is always (every single time) some idiot who almost kills you by doing something stupid like weaving in and out, pulling out in front of you, etc. If everyone drove as sensibly as you and me we could increase the speed limit, but do you really want all these lunatics driving any faster? As it is they drive about 140kph - increase the limit and they'll just drive faster. Oh, and I've never seen any safety issues from people driving too slow.

[Hedley]

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[altiplano]

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[_dwj_]

I've never seen any safety issues from people driving too slow

How old are you?

Try driving 10 kph on a divided highway sometime and tell
us how well that works out for you.

Not sure what my age has to do with it, but I've never seen anyone drive at 10kph on a divided highway in my entire life. If you're implying I myself am a slow driver, no - a while ago I owned a car that did 0-60mph in 4.5 seconds (which incidentally is a lot faster than the cars any of these speeding weavers drive). Now I have something a little more practical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_curve

Solomon found that the probability of being involved in a crash per vehicle-mile as a function of on-road vehicle speeds follows a U-shaped curve (see figure in this article) with speed values around the median speed having the lowest probability of being in a crash

That would explain why there are so many pile-ups with people driving too close. Idiots, again...

[altiplano]

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[_dwj_]

Your "wikipedia evidence" contradicts your statement that slow drivers don't get in accidents.

high rate of speed = lots of crashes
low rate of speed = lots of crashes
average rate of speed = few crashes

Read Hedley's comment again. He never said that.

[N181CS]

How do some police forces use privately reg'd planes and choppers for enforcement? I have noticed several cities that have there A/C in private reg ie. C-GYRP for york region, FCPS of calgary, FZRR toronto. However Ottawa, Durham, OPP, RCMP are all state. These A/C all have cameras FLIR and a crew, so whats the deal there?

[altiplano]

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[Hedley]

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