Climate Change Wack Jobs Are Commies - Confirmed

[The Old Fogducker]

One of my buddies, Charles Adler posted this fascinating link to an excerpt from a presentation made by Lord Monkton, former Science Advisor to Prime Minister Thatcher.

Super interesting.

Just the kind of stuff to drive a few of our forum contributors absolutely nuts.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

You can go to Charles Adler's site at http://www.charlesadler.com

[Sulako]

Strange. I believe global warming exists and is certainly exacerbated by man-made CO2 emissions, yet I'm not a communist. I guess your guy is wrong.

[The Old Fogducker]

Nope ... you've just been very smoothly duped..... so far.

Pretty soon they will be in the streets with bullhorns telling you to "throw off the oxen yoke of the oppressor" and similar drivel.

Look, nobody wants to see sulfuric acid flowing into a pristine trout stream from some battery recycling yard, but the positions advocated by the "so-called activists," are just out to lunch.

I'm willing to bet that not a single one of the advocates for shutting down industries have ever seen the amount of ejecta that comes from a forest fire ... the ones the wackos think we shouldn't fight with our carbon-emitting aircraft.

OFD

[Widow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_ ... cy_theory)

[canwhitewolf]

Its big business they want your money and the NWO and the CFR and the UN will collect for the world and apply all that money on your behalf, just have to have trust on that

aint it great

global warming is the wrong name but there is climate change, gonna be harder to be a pilot so you better be good at weather analysis or guessing

el nino. methane, maybe even niburu, magnetic shift, the mayan, every 26000 years and the approach of pluto, forest fires, volcanoes, the sun etc

but its not CO2 as a main cause , but hey thats taxable-brilliant

we are all being duped by false data and globalists

[Rockie]

Its big business they want your money and the NWO and the CFR and the UN will collect for the world and apply all that money on your behalf, just have to have trust on that

aint it great

global warming is the wrong name but there is climate change, gonna be harder to be a pilot so you better be good at weather analysis or guessing

el nino. methane, maybe even niburu, magnetic shift, the mayan, every 26000 years and the approach of pluto, forest fires, volcanoes, the sun etc

but its not CO2 as a main cause , but hey thats taxable-brilliant

we are all being duped by false data and globalists

Right on man. Science is such bulls**t.

[The Old Fogducker]

Here's Ted Danson ... now a so-called activist for environmental concerns. Well over 10 years ago, I saw the co-star of "Cheers" on TV saying "the world's oceans would be dead of all life" within the next ten years if we didn't stop all fishing immediately. I specifically recall that interview because it was sufficiently outlandish as to be filed under my "lets watch how this turns out" mental gallery.

Now he has opened his time line to the next 40 or 50 years.

Ted Danson is an example of so many of these radical Hollywood nutcases that can deliver a line from a script after the 19th take, but are so out of touch with reality it is laughable.

Because he is perceived to be "a high profile guy" he has been cultivated by the Environmentalist movement and has become an unwitting, useful idiot for their cause.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJEqC8GSewI

[Rockie]

Well then, stop listening to Ted Danson. However environmental scientists who actually do have credentials and expertise are all telling us dimwits something important. We can listen and heed, or be even bigger dimwits and think we know better than they do. Your choice how much of a dimwit you wish to be.

[Check Pilot]

The OFD is right to point out the poor misguided souls like Ted Danson and his ilk like Algore and Suzi. Even the BBC, which for years has proclaimed that we are all doomed has recently changed it's position.

Quoted from another forum:

"The whole man-made global warming idea is exploding as we speak. Copenhagen will be a failure (thank goodness). Then as we see normal cold winters and a continuation of the last decade of no temperature rise (or a drop), more and more articles in what has been an extremely biased media, will finally reveal to the general public the truth about this whole socialist money transfer scheme and within 5 years we'll wonder how so many were duped.

And the billions of dollars wasted....well they tried for trillions, so breathe a sigh of relief that we have a PM unwilling to sign the ridiculousness of Copenhagen."

And further:

http://www.theclimatescam.com/wp-conten ... rence1.pdf

I can only hope our governments have the cojones to do nothing.

[canwhitewolf]

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[The Old Fogducker]

Here's something that makes sense with respect to man-made global warming.

I'll watch it with glee.

http://www.noteviljustwrong.com/

[flyinthebug]

OFD are you suggesting that Al Gore and his shiny Nobel prize are wrong? I mean come on, they paid him over a cool mill for his theory. He was the VP of the mighty USA.. how could he be wrong?

Fly safe all.

[canwhitewolf]

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[Changes in Latitudes]

The guy on Avcanada with the dog screwing the duck said we're a bunch of wack job commies because Ted Danson is an idiot. Personally, I look to Sally Struthers and dog on duck guy for my moral and environmental decisions, thank you.

The world is so confusing to me.

[Siddley Hawker]

Neat article about the recent Pen Hadow expedition to the pole.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/15/t ... more-11702

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Just the kind of stuff to drive a few of our forum contributors absolutely nuts.

good to see we're still keeping the WWE RAW illusion on here alive

[Icebound]

One of my buddies, Charles Adler posted this fascinating link to an excerpt from a presentation made by Lord Monkton, former Science Advisor to Prime Minister Thatcher.

Monkton is trained as a journalist, not a scientist.

He WAS a policy advisor to Thatcher, but I doubt very much if it was "science" advisor in any serious sense.

He wrote an article for the American Physical Society newsletter, which newsletter is open to non-peer-reviewed articles. (They have a separate journal for scientific peer-reviewed papers.)

Monkton's anti-climate-change article appeared with a disclaimer specifically stating that it was not peer reviewed.

Yet his "Science Public Policy Institute" issued the following statement (highlights are mine).

Mathematical proof that there is no “climate crisis” appears today in a major, peer-reviewed paper in Physics and Society, a learned journal of the 4,600-strong American Physical Society, SPPI reports.
Christopher Monckton, who once advised Margaret Thatcher......

... which is clearly inaccurate and the claim was, of course, immediately disputed by the newletter's readers.

Note that even this release did not say that he advised Thatcher on science, just that he "advided Thatcher". It is also interesting how the news-release BY the SPPI quotes itself as if quoting an authority:.... "SPPI reports".

Following the appearance of Mokton's article in July 2008, A. P. Smith pointed out 125 errors
http://www.altenergyaction.org/Monckton.html

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You may wish to believe that a PR campaign by a journalist is valid Science. I guess that is your right.

But even if I WANTED to disprove the concept of global-warming-climate-change-whatever.... I think I would want to hook onto something a little more substantial than this.



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[Sheila]

Lord Moncton spoke about what is going on in the world and the revelation about climate change scam in this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUy ... r_embedded

Or read this article,

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.pr ... eId=113219

[Check Pilot]

Icebound, you poor misguided individual. You have been hooked, lined and sinkered into the whole climate change fallacy of BS.

What appears to you to be seemingly powerful and influential people, have twisted your weak mentality into your misguided thoughts into that of the outstanding efforts of a powerful, but educated group of folks that simply have a profit motive at their hand. Which they should do, regardless of the bitching. That profit, if it works, will come at your expense in the form of some kind of tax for everyone else, if you have your selfish way. It's obvious to me that you are not capable of your own thought about taxes, other than your own dogma that's spread throughout the forum for more communist rules.

Especially now that the electorate is about to make a huge swing to the right.

I suggest you satisfy a work relationship in Ontario where the pinkos will treat you with much more compassion and give you far more dollars from your poor oppressed Ontario taxpayers.

[just curious]

Neat article about the recent Pen Hadow expedition to the pole.

M'sieur Hadow was about a week from having to walk home from the Pole when he first made it. Then about another 2 media phone calls from being left at 86N. Jackass.

[Check Pilot]

Icebound and the rest of you Climate Change Whackos,

Where's your response refuting the facts that global warming is not happening. Or for that matter that global cooling for the last 9 years is if you really believe i tis, really GLOBAL WARMING IN DIGUISE".

That evil CO2 CRISIS must be cleverly disguising itself.

Or is it going to be like the rest of the poor misguided folks that won't get on a public forum other than some little inconsequential site like here, especially like a United Nations forum and participate in any debate? Where's your balls other than here? I don't see you out getting the attention of the stupid and little watched CBC on public television.

Tell me why not? Anyone?

[Sulako]

PM trumps Lord. The poor, uninformed British PM is apparently also duped by the commie pinkos? You're telling me that the PM of Britain, one of America's staunchest allies, is saying "Guys, we have a serious problem here that we need to address" for no reason? Give me a break. If we do nothing, one of two things will happen: maybe we'll be fine, or maybe the entire freakin world as we know it will end. If we act, we'll likely be fine. Wake up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/8313672.stm


PM warns of climate 'catastrophe'

The UK faces a "catastrophe" of floods, droughts and killer heatwaves if world leaders fail to agree a deal on climate change, the prime minister has warned.

He told the Major Economies Forum in London, which brings together 17 of the world's biggest greenhouse gas-emitting countries, there was "no plan B".

World delegations meet in Copenhagen in December for talks on a new treaty.

'Rising wave'

The United Nations (UN) summit will aim to establish a deal to replace the 1997 Kyoto treaty as its targets for reducing emissions only apply to a small number of countries and expire in 2012.

Once the damage from unchecked emissions growth is done, no retrospective global agreement, in some future period, can undo that choice

Mr Brown warned that negotiators were not reaching agreement quickly enough and said it was a "profound moment" for the world involving "momentous choice".

"In Britain we face the prospect of more frequent droughts and a rising wave of floods," he told delegates.

"The extraordinary summer heatwave of 2003 in Europe resulted in over 35,000 extra deaths.

Grim warning

"On current trends, such an event could become quite routine in Britain in just a few decades' time. And within the lifetime of our children and grandchildren the intense temperatures of 2003 could become the average temperature experienced throughout much of Europe."
Protest at coal power station
Many campaign groups say the UN talks are stalling

The costs of failing to tackle the issue would be greater than the impact of both world wars and the Great Depression combined, the prime minister said.

The world would face more conflict fuelled by climate-induced migration if a deal was not agreed, he added.

He told the forum, on the second day of talks in the capital, that by 2080 an extra 1.8 billion people - a quarter of the world's current population - could lack sufficient water.

Mr Brown said: "If we do not reach a deal at this time, let us be in no doubt: once the damage from unchecked emissions growth is done, no retrospective global agreement, in some future period, can undo that choice.

"So we should never allow ourselves to lose sight of the catastrophe we face if present warming trends continue."

Agreement at Copenhagen "is possible", he concluded.

"But we must frankly face the plain fact that our negotiators are not getting to agreement quickly enough. So I believe that leaders must engage directly to break the impasse."

In recent days there have been a number of warnings that progress is stalling.

Rajendra Pachauri, head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, told Newsweek magazine "the prospects that states will actually agree to anything in Copenhagen are starting to look worse and worse".

The Major Economies Forum is not part of the formal UN process and so firm commitments are unlikely to come from the meeting.

It is seen instead as a gathering where countries can explore options and positions in a less pressured environment.

[JakeYYZ]

Experimenting with planetary climate would make sense only in desperate circumstances. Because no one knows for sure or can predict with any certainty the harmful side effects of experimental climate cures. And the harmful side effects might turn out to be worse than the disease. Not even scientists know the truth about climate changes for the Earth. Doom Sayers have existed long before science & they exist now in the Global Warming–formerly the Global Cooling–zealots. No one knows for sure or can predict with any certainty the harmful side effects of experimental regulation on economic systems. And the harmful side effects might turn out to be worse than the disease.

It's not ethically acceptable to give experimental drugs to people who are still relatively healthy and coping well. But when someone is dying and doesn't have much hope. Then the ethics committees and government agencies sometimes approve the use of experimental and unproven drugs.

If these are the ethics for helping individuals. Then at least similar ethical standards need to be applied to helping the whole humanity and other species that live on Earth. Although I would say that the ethical standards for tinkering with Earth's climate need to be even more stringent than this. Because there is a big difference between possibly harming a few individuals with experimental cures and possibly harming the whole humanity and other species on Earth with experimental climate cures.
An idealist with a correct ideal supported by more correct ideas is a beautiful thing. An idealist with an incorrect ideal or one who has attached incorrect ideals to a correct ideal can be deadly. Poverty is deadly. Increasing poverty to decrease CO2 will be deadly.

[The Old Fogducker]

Now here's the kind of alarmist bull-roar that I'm talking about with these clowns ... only 50 days remain to save the world .... yah sure. Another one that's listened to too much Ted Danson.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8313672.stm


Here's the headline from BBC News ....
PM warns of climate 'catastrophe'

Brown: '50 days to save world'

The UK faces a "catastrophe" of floods, droughts and killer heatwaves if world leaders fail to agree a deal on climate change, the prime minister has warned.