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Any info on WWFC?

#1 Post by spanky38 » Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:14 pm

Does anyone have any info on the flying club in Waterloo? I saw their job posting and was wondering if its a good place to work. Any info would be helpful, i.e. #of students, pay, #of hours, good enviornment etc...
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#2 Post by daddylonglegs » Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:12 am

WWFC used to be a great place to work. There is new management this year and a new regime. Pay used to be good - $19/hour for a class 4 instructor. Oh yeah, and there is an outstanding lawsuit for unfair dismissal and sexual harassment of a former instructor.

Edited: The allegations in the lawsuit have yet to be proven in court.
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#3 Post by Cat Driver » Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:58 am

sexual harassment of a former instructor.

Was the instructor male or female?
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#4 Post by daddylonglegs » Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:12 am

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#5 Post by No Conflict » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:29 pm

WWFC is not a bad place to work.

The Instructors there are not as close as other schools I've worked at, but most of them are good people.

WWFC has definitely changed direction since new CFI came, but for a new instructor, it's a good way to start. You'll have alot of chances to excel.
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#6 Post by spanky38 » Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:35 am

Boy, I never dreamed I'd cause such a ruckus....just wanted some info.

being new to this whole industry (and a little worried at this piont) I do have a question that seems relevant......how much does this club charge for instruction?
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#7 Post by CommSpaz » Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:13 pm

Club charges $44/h for PPL and COT instruction
$48/h for "advanced" instruction
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#8 Post by daddylonglegs » Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:51 am

The instructors at the WWFC are professionals. They provide quality instruction and work hard to ensure success for their students.
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WWFC aka Flying Club

#9 Post by helmetfire » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:49 pm

The WWFC used to be a decent place to work.
The number of instructors vs has increased, and the hourly pay has dropped.
10+ years ago instructor made $19-25 per hour.
Instructors billed on average 650+ hrs a year.
They had full benefits, and for awhile profit sharing and Xmas bonus.
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#10 Post by Stan_Cooper » Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:06 pm

Of all the people who are really pissed about this, who actually does or has worked at one of the big two flight schools at KF? PM me if you like, I used to work at one of them.
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#11 Post by chewsta » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:06 pm

Unfortunatly, this topic has degraded into a shouting match. On Wednesday night, names were named in this thread against the policies of AvCanada. In addition, several of the posts were deemed to be libelous. As such, I have edited this thread to leave in fact only. Hopefully, there is enough information to answer the original post, and therefore I have closed this thread.

I have also deleted threads from users with multiple usernames on the same IP addresses.

I have been in contact with the management at WWFC. Issues discussed in this thread are being taken up internaly - face to face. I would also like to note that not all IPs in this thread are from the Waterloo area - and so this thread was not entirly an internal matter.

Any further libelous comments or naming of persons will result in immediate removal of the post and most likely your username and IP will be banned from this forum.

(Play nice everyone)
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#12 Post by . . » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:54 pm

Unlocked.

no names.

Chewsta: AvCanada has 4 users posting from his address. surely you don't allege that he has so many identities? People have roommates, people can bounce off webproxies. Take a deep breath and relax.
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#13 Post by duplicate2 » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:00 pm

It's nice to know that the moderators can moderate each other. Hopefully this doesn't fall under libel or naming of names, but doesn't it appear that chewsta is a little too close to this situation to have an objective perspective? I would welcome his comments, but not his censorship.

It seems that it would be better to have a moderator unconnected to WWFC or it's competition or any related parties to decide how best to protect avcanada's exposure.
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#14 Post by . . » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:04 pm

Sometimes a different perspective can help.

I've had some pretty hot threads come up about companies I've worked for. I have freinds at others that have gone wild. It's in no ones best interest to quash a hot debate. At the end of it all, its never who has the most or least posts that wins a debate. The facts come out and people can make their own decisions based on what is out there.
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#15 Post by The Dangerzone! » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:14 pm

Why was my posy deleted, It wasnt innapropriate.. I was just stating my opinion on the state of the industry these days and how ue to supply and demand I have to work for 8 bucks an hour
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#16 Post by Brahma » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:19 pm

Determined:

Are you kidding, look at the clock, it's after 23:00 do you actually expect Chewsta to reply? His Mom yelled from the top of the basement stairs to go to sleep something like twenty minutes ago. Sheesh!
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#17 Post by ... » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:02 am

endless wrote: The facts come out and people can make their own decisions based on what is out there.

Yes...like when one day last weekend I finally got to OWN pimper

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

Pimper..I own you...

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#18 Post by pimper » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:53 pm

You own me? I'll get to that at the bottom of the post.

You never answered me on the other string..so I will try it again...what do you do with your pilots after the summer is over? Do you tell them they can go on EI? Do you fill out the forms for them? I can't believe you have spouted off for so long about being honest, being a great employer, standing up against dirty boses, etc etc etc when you are one yourself.

You litteraly entice pilots from other jobs for twin time. You use them for the summer then you discard them till you need them again. You pay shit then you send them off to the EI line. I'm also sure the MNR would like to know that half of the pilots you hire don't meet the minimum qualifications to transport ministry staff. I have also wondered why the MOH hasn't put a restriction on centre line thrust. The moment they do that is the moment your applications will stop.


You own me....you like to tell others that you own a penthouse in toronto, you like to tell others that you own a landrover, you like to tell others about your wonderfull vacations but you can't seem to pay your employees what they are worth....you don't own jack let alone pimper...go preach somewhere else.
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#19 Post by Cat Driver » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:22 pm

" I have also wondered why the MOH hasn't put a restriction on centre line thrust. "

Well Pimper, I can answer this part for you.

The CLT airplanes are just perfect for the job thay are being used for...they are bird dog aircraft and have excellent visibility for that work.

Not to mention two engines.

We had nine of them in the Flying Fireman and they were the best airplane avaliable for the job.


" I'm also sure the MNR would like to know that half of the pilots you hire don't meet the minimum qualifications to transport ministry staff. "

How many MNR employees has H&L killed or injured?

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#20 Post by hazatude » Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:45 pm

All of IABD's pilots that I've talked to have been very happy with the setup.
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#21 Post by TFTMB heavy » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:53 pm

How is it exactly that you get used when you apply for a seasonnal job and you get laid off at the end of the summer?
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#22 Post by ... » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:46 pm

Reply gotot http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 4486#54486
pimper wrote:You own me? I'll get to that at the bottom of the post.

You never answered me on the other string..so I will try it again...what do you do with your pilots after the summer is over? Do you tell them they can go on EI? Do you fill out the forms for them? I can't believe you have spouted off for so long about being honest, being a great employer, standing up against dirty boses, etc etc etc when you are one yourself.

You litteraly entice pilots from other jobs for twin time. You use them for the summer then you discard them till you need them again. You pay shit then you send them off to the EI line. I'm also sure the MNR would like to know that half of the pilots you hire don't meet the minimum qualifications to transport ministry staff. I have also wondered why the MOH hasn't put a restriction on centre line thrust. The moment they do that is the moment your applications will stop.


You own me....you like to tell others that you own a penthouse in toronto, you like to tell others that you own a landrover, you like to tell others about your wonderfull vacations but you can't seem to pay your employees what they are worth....you don't own jack let alone pimper...go preach somewhere else.
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#23 Post by multiprop » Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:38 pm

In fact I have heard that there will be another lawsuit on the horizon following the unfair dismissal of a flight instructor a few years back. Apparently it might get nasty from the rumours I've been hearing. From what I have been hearing this individual has an excellent lawyer and is going after the heart of WWFC. I know it has nothing to do with current management but the ex-CFI and the former management staff.
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