Cessna crash - yqt

[AEROMONKEY]

www.tbnewswatch.com/news/Default.aspx?cid=69231

[Highflyinpilot]

Glad evrything turned out well.


First thing to come to mind was it was a college plane but i was wrong, does thunderbay have a flight club???

[AUGER9]

Yes, but that is not the club plane either.

[BGH]

Cessna 185 C-FBWP,based in Thunder Bay.Glad to hear of no serious injuries.

Daryl

[185_guy]

Good news that everyone was ok!

what a shame, bwp just had a new paint job not long ago =(
Also a bad time for a tourist operation to have something happen with the economy, dollar and all......
Best of luck guys.

[Flybaby]

Aircraft Information
Mark: C-FBWP
Common Name: Cessna Model Name: 185A
Serial No: 185-0430
Basis for Eligibility for Registration: Type Certificate - CAR Standard 507.02 (1), 507.03 (3) - 3A24
Category: Aeroplane Max take-off weight: 1492 kgs
Engine: 1, Piston
24-bit address: 110000000000010011110000
Regional Office: Toronto
Base of Operations: CANADA , Ontario, Staughton Lake
Manufacturer Information
Manufacturer: Cessna Aircraft Company
Country of manufacture: U.S.A. Year of Manufacture: 1962
Registration Information
Type of Registration: Commercial
Owner Registered Since: 2005-06-08
Latest Certificate of Registration Issued: 2005-06-08
Last Registered Owner Information
Name: West Caribou Air Service Inc.
Address: 4342 Mapleward Rd.
City: Thunder Bay Province/State: Ontario
Postal Code: P7K 1A3 Country: CANADA
Region: Ontario
Mail Recipient: Yes
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Glad to hear everyone survived.

[Vortex_driver]

From earlier this season...

2009O1221

Date:2009-06-23 Time: 2024 Z

B.P.R.:Maintenance et construction Exposé des faits:The amphibious float-equipped West Caribou Air Service Inc. Cessna 185 aircraft (C-FBWP) was on a VFR flight (under a company flight note) from Staunton Lake water aerodrome (CKK8) to Sioux Lookout (Bigwood Lake). At 2024Z, NAV CANADA staff at Sioux Lookout F.S.S. received a relayed message (via WSG806) that the aircraft had landed on McDougall Bay (Marchington Lake) due to engine problems. The aircraft was docked safely at Ghost River Camps. Ops. impact -- unknown.


The crash from 2 days is not showing in the CADORS yet...


It's funny cause I almost got the job on this plane couple years back...feels weird...

[AUGER9]

CADOR out

The float-equipped West Caribou Air Service Ltd. Cessna 185A aircraft (C-FBWP) was on a VFR flight from [origin unknown] to Thunder Bay harbour (CKE6). Thunder Bay Airport (CYQT) control tower staff heard a blind radio transmission from the pilot of C-FBWP, inbound to Thunder Bay harbour, indicating that the aircraft was low on fuel. Two-way communications could not be established with the pilot by either the tower controller or the Toronto ACC sector controller. Shortly thereafter, overflying aircraft heard ELT signals in the vicinity north of Thunder Bay Airport. J.R.C.C. Trenton staff confirmed that a 406MHz beacon signal was received via satellite from the aircraft (C-FBWP). J.R.C.C. Trenton staff later provided information that the pilot had called the company owner of the aircraft to advise that the two (2) people on board were alright, with only minor injuries. The aircraft was located in the trees at approximately 48º30'N 089º16'W. T.S.B. advised

UPDATE from TSB Daily Notification Log 26-10-2009 Occurrence Summary A09C0167: The West Caribou Air Service Cessna 185A, registration C-FBWP, was circling northwest of Thunder Bay, ON, while attempting to contact Thunder Bay tower. A power loss was experienced and the aircraft crashed into trees approximately 10 nm northwest of Thunder Bay. The aircraft sustained substantial structural damage and the pilot and passenger received minor injuries. There was no fire although the OPP reported a significant fuel leak. Investigators attended the site. Trenton JRCC update A1 - 231907Z. 406 ELT C-FBWP A78DF0013C002F1 (483131N 0891697W - Thunder Bay, ON). An unregistered GOES detection of a 406 MHz ELT found in the 24-bit database to be in C-185 C-FBWP. Concurrent reports from Winnipeg ACC of an ELT in the Thunder Bay area were received at JRCC. Winnipeg ACC relayed that C-FBWP had transmitted 'low on fuel' and contact was lost. A Wisk Air Helicopters Long Ranger was chartered to go to the scene approximately 9 miles north of Thunder Bay airport and the 435 Sqn Hercules was tasked as well. The 2 POB were reporting via cell phone to be down safe with minor injuries. Local authorities were able to reach the site by ground party and evacuate the 2 POB's. No further action required. Case closed. C-GKRW - 1.0, HERC 305 435 - 3.1 [T2009-02867]

[chicken hawk]

CADOR out
Fuel starvation due to leak.

Where does it say that?

[Bushav8er]

CADOR out
Fuel starvation due to leak.

Where does it say that?

And

There was no fire although the OPP reported a significant fuel leak.

Low on fire doesn't = out of fuel. Maybe he was low, reported it, but didn't watch/select the fullest tank in the 'circling'?

[AUGER9]

CADOR out
Fuel starvation due to leak.

Where does it say that?

ah thanks! i did skim through it pretty quick.

carry on.

[Investigator]

Report available at: http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... 9c0167.asp

[ArcticKat]

In her heyday

[2.5milefinal]

I gotto read these post more carefully (dates) ... thought this was just 2 days ago. Not 2 years ago

[burhead1]

We are not trained to use our fuel gauges, but to calculate our fuel and in this case there was a miss calculation. The pilot obviously based on what the plane would hold not what the pump registered. But as we have lots of technology why is there not accurate fuel gauges used? do the new cessna's have accurate gauges??

[AOW]

do the new cessna's have accurate gauges??

no.

Well, that's not entirely true. My understanding of the FAR that governs these things is that the fuel gauges must read accurately only at one point: when the tanks are empty. Any other fuel level, you can have the gauges read whatever, but as long as they read empty when the tanks are empty, you're legal.

Now single engine cessnas are fortunate by their design that fuel tanks can fairly accurately be dipped and there exist calibrated and graduated measuring devices that will read your fuel load down to the gallon (assuming that the calibrations match the aircraft that you're flying! don't try to dip a 182 with a 150 dip stick!!)

There are also aftermarket fuel totalizers that are considerably more accurate than cessna's fuel qty and (probably non-existent) fuel flow gauges.

Back to the original accident, I'm glad to hear that nobody was hurt, but I must say that I am disappointed to hear that they went into the trees. With the number of lakes and rivers in this area, one would think that a precautionary landing could have been made before the engine actually quit! Sounds to me like another case of get-home-itis. If you're flying a float plane, you have thousands of options, so if you know that you're LOW on fuel, your boss is going to be less angry at you for landing on some other lake/river safely, than trying to continue and ending up in the trees (just make sure you remind him of this as you're phoning in to tell them what happened and arranging for a jerry can to make its way to you!)

[Northern Flyer]

I gotto read these post more carefully (dates) ... thought this was just 2 days ago. Not 2 years ago

Don't think there is much float flying going on in Ontario yet.

[Rowdy]

I was just gonna say... those lakes are all still frozen. He might not have had a choice!

Curious now as to whether it was poor planning, a line that burst or a missing/lost fuel cap.

Glad to hear everyone was alright.

[phillyfan]

Investigator. Did you investigate this accident?