SMS Implementation Delayed - confirmed

[Widow]

As mentioned in yesterday's SafeSkies newsletter, confidential sources advise:

that there was a meeting of the National Executive last week, and among other decisions, the implementation of SMS into the 703/704 sector will be pushed back to January 2011, at the earliest.

http://safeskies.ca/newsletter_1-8

Discuss!

[Doc]

Could it be TC wants to maintain their finger on the pulse just a little while longer. Or, do they see the folly in their ways.....?

[flyboy]

mmm, I wonder if they will say anything at the seminar next week in Van? I'm so looking forward to it....

[snaproll20]

ah a light at the end of the tunnel.

I would guess that most or all of the serious and 'good' companies will implement some kind of SMS that is workable and practical in the interim, and show TCCA how it should have been done in the first place.

All you brats still in the industry should now thank the people who sparked this and get behind them to see intelligence wins.

[Widow]

Just so you know, the "confidential source" is a good one - in fact, there were several "confidential sources" who advised us of this change in plans.

Hopefully, TC will now refine their oversight tools and provide more training. Frankly, I rather think the FOIP ought to be resurrected in the interim.

[flyboy]

Widow, are you going to the seminar next week?

[Widow]

I am. I will also be staying at the Marriott, so I'll be easy to find.

[2R]

Nevermind this complex SMS ,So Much Shit stuff they should get back to the good old fashioned simple DFU maxim. DFU has a long history of working in almost all industries.It is simple and can be remembered in the most stressfull scenarios.
DFU can be applied to just about any human activity.
Don't Fook Up

[CD]

Well, it worked for Alan Shepard...

[Changes in Latitudes]

Just so you know, the "confidential source" is a good one - in fact, there were several "confidential sources" who advised us of this change in plans.
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I thought they were being pretty open about the delay for 703? Last person I talked to seemed to voice the same.

[Widow]

The implementation page still projects NPA for December, final in January 2010. AFAIK, this further delay (originally it was due to hit the NPAs in September) has only very recently been confirmed.

[x-wind]

So why are they delaying it again? Is there an official answer?

[Widow]

So why are they delaying it again?

I believe the new DGCA has been talking to people, and has heard all the objections to their methods of implementation. Hopefully, this is a wind of real change and not just a CYA reaction to recent and upcoming events.

Is there an official answer?

I'm sure we'll hear one eventually.

[Rubberbiscuit]

Maybe it is dawning on them that the kneejerk reaction of forcing the same SMS system on companies of all types and sizes isn't practical? I also hear there is bigtime restructuring for the better within the Department at the regional levels.

[CD]

I also hear there is bigtime restructuring for the better within the Department at the regional levels.

If you say so...

[Rubberbiscuit]

...wasn't being sarcastic. Just so I am clear on that.... if that is how you saw my post. Have some good friends at TC and without giving me details just threw it out there that there were changes in progress..... for the better.

[2R]

Well, it worked for Alan Shepard...

I forgot where i had heard it first ,but every pilot should know Alan Shepards prayer.
The fifth man to walk on the Moon

[CD]

No problem Rubberbiscuit... there are likely some changes that will be beneficial. It probably depends on ones point of view and experiences. The new structure being put in place by the NOTIP appears to be based, at least in part, on similarities to the FAA structure. One of the downsides to that is the potential for even more Regional autonomy and, as a result, Regional differences. Of course, the organizational structure is also predicated on SMS being in place for all operators... We'll have to wait and see I suppose.

[Dust Devil]

As mentioned in yesterday's SafeSkies newsletter, confidential sources advise:

that there was a meeting of the National Executive last week, and among other decisions, the implementation of SMS into the 703/704 sector will be pushed back to January 2011, at the earliest.

http://safeskies.ca/newsletter_1-8

Discuss!

Honestly I wish they would just get on with it or abandon it. Being caught between two systems sucks.

[snaproll20]

dust devil wrote

Honestly I wish they would just get on with it or abandon it. Being caught between two systems sucks.

I"m sure you did not mean it literally, since safety is only one 'system'. But, your comment does have precedent regarding Governmental changes. The primary one of course, is the weights and measures conversion to metric, which is still unfinished.
It seems to me that almost assisted in creating an aviation disaster (Gimli glider).

It is just another example of unfinished Government business, otherwise known as dabbling, tinkering, uncommitted, incompetent and dumb, which is how our senior civil servants seem to conduct business. Flavor of the month stuff. (Gun Registry?)

Still, I hope Widow is right and the new DGA is listening and acting appropriately.

I still think a guidance committee of retirees with years of experience could have told them years ago this would not work and also suggested a better path. Evidentally, they did not listen to their own employees during the whole of this debacle. That was the whole problem with Preuss and his sidekicks. VFR on top and no idea where they were.

[Rubberbiscuit]

Here is a link to interesting read from flightsafety.org on trying to explain the fundamentals of SMS:

http://www.flightsafety.org/asw/sept09/ ... p40-44.pdf

[Widow]

During his opening remarks at the SMS Information Session yesterday, DGCA Martin Eley announced that implementation of SMS will be delayed in all sectors for which it has not already been implemented, until January 2011 at the earliest. Finalization of implementation is now projected for 2015, rather than 2011.

He mentioned the need to provide more training and strengthen oversight as reasons for the delay.

[Dust Devil]

During his opening remarks at the SMS Information Session yesterday, DGCA Martin Eley announced that implementation of SMS will be delayed in all sectors for which it has not already been implemented, until January 2011 at the earliest. Finalization of implementation is now projected for 2015, rather than 2011.

He mentioned the need to provide more training and strengthen oversight as reasons for the delay.

Not good news.

[Widow]

I think a lot of people would disagree with you D.D.

[The Old Fogducker]

I'm hoping the delay is because the new DGCA is waiting for the current generation of 703 operators to sell out, or die off .... so the program might have a better chance at reaching personalities capable of understanding the trade-off between money and safety.

But then, I'm jaded, so apply due consideration.