Pass Travel charge

[swervin]

Looks like travel fee's are coming back Jan 1st 2010 for Jazz Employees. Watch for a Jazz Flash coming soon.

[El Comat]

If they are coming back, they haven't been put in the system yet. I just tried booking for a random day in January and there was no service charge. I have also heard from sources that we would just piggyback on whatever mainline's policy is. Seeing as they have the fees waived until at least 2011, we were supposed to be good until then as well. Where did you get your info from?

Here's one commuter crossing his fingers for no fees anytime soon!!!

EC

[swervin]

Toronto Chief Pilot. You'll probably have to wait until the 1st of January to see the charges show up on the RES system. Mainline is still exempt because they extended their contract for 21 months. We of course have not.

A sudbury flight will now cost you an extra $20 return.

[flyinhigh]

If thats the case, i'll imagine that you'll see more folks looking for LOA's, or doing what many of us do now. Fly with westjet.

[hithere]

Actually YSB-YYZ-YSB will cost you $24 in service charges alone. Add in $9.34(AIR TRAVELERS SECURITY CHARGE)+4.06(GST) for a grand total of $37.40

For those commuting out of YHZ or YYT the cost will be $43 in service charges + $9.34(AIR TRAVELERS SECURITY CHARGE)+$16.95(Airport improvement fee+$6.80(GST)= $76.09 return

So basically take whatever you spend in commuting per month and multiply it by 3

[CanadianEh]

Oh the stupidity!

[El Comat]

Well this is lovely..two more pay cuts to ring in the new year with! First they tell us our "benefits" are going up, and now this! Let's hope the new contract makes up for this BS!

[Kid]

What will happen is that Jazz pilots will use jumpseat passes for commuting on AC and Jazz to avoid the service charge thus making it tougher for off line pilots to get a '' jumpseat " on either airline.

[mattedfred]

i didn't think one could use recip JS on their own airline?

this is gonna be a shite show

[Bede]

i didn't think one could use recip JS on their own airline?

this is gonna be a shite show

I wonder what would happen if we went to the gate and filled out a recip JS form and got on that way. Perhaps something for ALPA to look into.

[mattedfred]

if the captain followed the recip JS protocol then he would deny your request

i wouldn't recommend trying

it will be fun to sit beside a WJ, or BRS or wasaya pilot using the recip JS when we are traveling on passes on AC or ACJ

every captain should be allowed to put any commercial pilot in the JS for free anytime

[Kid]

Prior to CCAA and the waiver of the employee service charges, AC and Jazz pilots could jumpseat on either airline for tax charges only...... no one bothered to use them subsequent to this as a jumpseat or a C2 were the same cost. If memory serves me correctly all that was required was a " u-write" which is now the yellow hand written ticket stock that is used in the same way.

The problem will be the increased competition for the one seat available on the Jazz and mainline narrow body fleet by all jumpseaters.

[Localizer]

Your going to hear lots of different things but just remember its AC that sets the rules and service charges for the pass program, not Jazz or Jazz managment. So stby for further before jumping to conclusions.

[flyinhigh]

My conculsion is that Westjet is always looking better. ha

[Realitychex]

Revenue Canada and taxable benefits.

Joy.

[dream_big]

Your going to hear lots of different things but just remember its AC that sets the rules and service charges for the pass program, not Jazz or Jazz management. So stby for further before jumping to conclusions.

Well not a rumor anymore. There you go AC, make jazz pay service fees while AC doesn't. That'll help the situation. Costs seems to be the only thing they have their heads....nothing about negative effects associated.

[Stinky]

It seems like a pretty smart bargaining tactic. AC gets the blame, jazz just say's sorry we did our best. Now we have one more thing to bargain for in lieu of a pay raise.

[TopperHarley]

Can someone please tell me what the approximate new cost of a roundtrip pass to Beijing would be? Im planning on leaving mid- January for a week or so.

[Pratt]

Just start doing a booking for you Parents, you will see the service charge there, 1/3 of that would bo your cost plus the taxes etc.

As to this being used as a bargaining tactic, I don't think so. It never has been part of any groups contract and I doubt they would or could do that, the passes are controlled by AC not Jazz.

[dream_big]

I think everyone hear already understands the concept that AC controls the flight passes. I just think it`s a very ignorant and selfish slap in the face move on behalf of AC to reintroduced service charges to jazz employees and keep the AC employees extended to 2011 as per the contract. I may be incorrect as per the facts (correct me if wrong), but I don`t possibly see how jazz employees will pay a service fee on flights operated by jazz and AC employees do not have to pay this fee for services to which, yes jazz, IS providing. Yes AC buys jazz seats but that`s it. They aren`t providing the service, jazz is. Almost seems like their double dipping into the system here. Just the idea of this, is complete non sense.

[swervin]

Dream Big, The reason why AC employee's are still exempt from the service charge is because they agreed to keep their current contracts in force for another 21 months, along with that came the extension on their service charges. I'd personally rather get a new Contract then worry about service charges (yes I do commute).

[El Comat]

Let's just hope I can take home $~150/month more with the new contract, cuz that's how much more I'll be spending to get to work, especially if I keep getting stuck with these stupid continuous duties!

[Inverted2]

I wouldnt be surprised to see a lot of the B scale FA's quit since there is a lot of commuters and I cant see them spending 70-80 bucks to get to work.

[mbav8r]

So, lets see if I understand whats happened here. Jazz renegotiates the CPA, gives back about half the profit it was making previously. Which is being used to lower our expectations for a new contract. ie; Less profit = less pay increase. Then, as a thank you they re-instate the sector charges, for jazz only. Sounds like a barganing chip to me. So if you are a commuter from say Kelowna(jazz only)You pay but AC employees don't. That's absolutely ridiculous.
I for one will be holding out for alot more than 150 net increase. the idea behind a new contract is better standard of living not status quo or worse a pay cut. Think about it, if the raise only matches what you lost here, then with inflation factored in you took a pay cut!!!!!!!

[dream_big]

Dream Big, The reason why AC employee's are still exempt from the service charge is because they agreed to keep their current contracts in force for another 21 months, along with that came the extension on their service charges. I'd personally rather get a new Contract then worry about service charges (yes I do commute).

Yes, that is understood, and I do absolutely agree with you on that half....but we all know whats coming in 2011. The new contract they will have will somehow then include no service charges for AC, and jazz will still be paying. It's not the idea of paying more that upsets me, it's the idea of paying for fees on jazz flights while AC doesn't, even though jazz is providing that service.

mbav8r, i totally agree with you. We are definitely losers on this half and don't see this is a bargaining tactic at all. A pay raise will only offset those charges, which means we really have not moved forward.

and I think $150 is a rather generous number. There are quite a few commuters that will be paying more then just 150.