Would a Gun Ban have prevented this?

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:29 am

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/11/a ... index.html

bigred · Post by **bigred** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:48 pm

one word Nope

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:18 pm

Certainly not, since he overpowered a deputy and used her gun. Why in the hell was a 6'1" 210 lb man in the custody of a female? Unless she was a black belt in every martial art known to man this should have been preventable.

LH · Post by LH » Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:08 am

It depends on how experienced the guard was and how she had a hold of him.......if at all........and if he was in cuffs and leg irons. The fact she was a female means nothing if it was done properly and by an experienced guard.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:16 am

LH wrote:It depends on how experienced the guard was and how she had a hold of him.......if at all........and if he was in cuffs and leg irons. The fact she was a female means nothing if it was done properly and by an experienced guard.

Well it wasn't, was it? Don't you think a large male would have had just a slightly higher chance of holding on to his gun?

I'm not a putting down women, I know a few that could royally do a number on me. Anyone know when the last court shooting in England was?

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:59 am

This deputy should probably not even have had a firearm on her. When handling "in custody" prisoners you do not need a firearm. All prisoners should be searched to ensure they are free of weapons. If their behaviour is deemed a security threat they can be restrained in cuffs, leg irons, or belly chains. Carrying a gun in close proximity to prisoner is unneccessary.

LH · Post by LH » Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:46 pm

You escort a prisoner with your weapon in the holster on the "Off" side and farthest away from the prisoner. The prisoner is grasped at the back of the nearest elbow.....and THAT is all that is needed.

It is not how big you are, what weight you are, what gender you, how tall you are or whether you have a weapon or not , IF IT IS DONE PROPERLY. There are correct methods to do everything in police work and some might even make "Joe Public" laugh, BUT they work 100% if the time. It is exactly the same as flying or a host of other professions and trades........observe certain rules with out a cavalier attitude and things work out fine.......don't do that and you do so at your own peril. Lastly, yes there are situations in police work where a female is at a disadvantage and shouldn't be present, unless as part of a team, but any female is more than capable of escorting any prisoner as long as certain rules and procedures are followed.

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:00 pm

I forget which station I was watching when I heard about this story. One of the points they made, was that the State would not allow a defendant to be shackled while entering the courtroom as "it might influence the jury unfairly." That is the reason he was not restrained with leg irons and cuffs.

Unbelievable.

LH · Post by LH » Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:14 pm

You heard correctly and they will not allow the prisoners to appear in or be escorted into the jury-occupied courtroom, wearing the orange-coloured coveralls because of the same reason. He was therefore allowed to wear his civilan clothing. That's a particular State's rule and differs completely with the majority of States which you've probably noticed on TV already. I suspect there may well be a review of those procedures in the making. It should also be noted that he committed those murders in one of the remaining States that still has the Death Penalty because there's now 20 who don't have the Death Penalty and Kansas just eliminated it within the past 10 days. So he's a "looser" the whole way 'round.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:51 pm

A gun ban? In Atlanta GA?? Ya got the wings bolted on that PIG yet? I'm just dying to see that porker fly!

LH · Post by LH » Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:39 pm

Doc ------if you were replying to me, I'm just a tad confused. Where did you find in what I stated, anything to do with or any reference to firearms in ANY way? I'd like to know because maybe my syntax needs correcting here some place or I'm missing something. I was replying to upontop and I read no refernce to firearms in his post either.

A far as the subject of guns is concerned, there'll be no "gun ban" in Georgia anymore than there are "supposedly" (where they get the estimate from even confuses the police in western Canada) an estimated 400,000 unregistered long guns in Canada. They never knew how many long guns existed in the first place, so where they come up with the figure for that estimate defies logic. Just little 'ol me knows where there are all kinds of unregistered rifles and shotguns and they NEVER will be registered either, ammo will be used in them and hunting will take place each and every year. The RCMP know that, the general public knows that out here and you can get a chuckle on this subject in any coffee shop in rural western Canada.......RCMP included. Like the local RCMP S/Sgt told me...."it would be great if the politicians checked with us first to see if we had the manpower to enforce some of the laws they put in place FIRST, before they plunk those laws into our jurisdiction. Otherwise it's just ink on paper and it makes no difference then whatsoever, whether it's a good law or a bad one".

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:24 pm

LH

I think he was just making an open reply based on the Title of this topic.

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:55 pm

There's a little more to this than meets the eye. The perp was apparently a security guard at a Fortune 500 company, who entered a relatonship with a female exec at said company. The relationship went on for some time, and finally the guy wanted out. He eventually left the woman, at which point she threw a hissy fit and accused him of sexual assault, burning the toast and mental anguish. He was to be retried on the charges, since his first trial resulted in a hung jury - 8 to 4 to acquit. Since this was to be his second trial and he wasn't considered a dangerous individual, he wasn't wearing restraints. He overpowered the guard, a 50 year old granny with whom he was alone in the elevator, grabbed her gun and shot her. Sounds like a spur-of-the-moment thing to me.
As an aside, if that had been one of my grannies, god rest their souls, you woulda been able to stick a fork in him right there. Either one of them woulda de-nutted him with a filetting knife. My grannies were fiesty critters. Getting shot would have royally pissed 'em off.