Carson Air recent posting

[UKPilot]

Hi everyone,

Just curious if anyone knows if the job has been filled or where they are in the hiring process? The posting seems to have disappeared off their website and I'm just curious if that means it's been filled or if they've had enough eligible applicants and they're sifting through them.

Many thanks in advance.

[LegoMan]

anyone dumb enough to work there for those wages should be shot in the face with a potatoe gun.

[canadapilot924]

I'd work there in a heartbeat. Good schedule, same if not better pay than instructing, and lots of multi-turbine time in the logbook.

[Flybabe]

Hmm.. what DOES instructing pay, these days?

[Cat Driver]

Flybabe instructing pays so little it is not enough for a single person to live properly on.

Companies will continue to pay less because they know that there will be a never ending line up of new pilots willing to work for free to log multi engine time.

Actually I am surprised there are not more companies offering these jobs for zero pay and also demanding the pilots pay outrageous training fees cash up front.

They would not run short of people willing to accept such conditions.

[Flybabe]

I was kinda wondering about that...

[Cat Driver]

Its really quite simple Flybabe.

Flying airplanes is seen as a highly admired occupation by many in society and far to many young people will do anything to be a commercial pilot.

Thus it is a blue collar trade with wages and working conditions at the entry level below truck driving or bus driving, definitely below what construction workers make.

Lets look at it in another way, I have a very close friend who owns a trucking company and if anyone were to apply for a job and try and get the job by working for less than the going rate he is now paying I am sure he would not hire the person because he does not want employees with low self worth.

[canadapilot924]

Probably gonna show around 15k on this year's T4 for instructing "full-time". And all that with no chance of multi-time. I believe you start on 18k at Carson, and obviously the flying is much more valuable than buzzing around in the circuit staring at the Hobbs. Heck, I could even keep my 2nd job with my evening and weekends being free!

[LegoMan]

Probably gonna show around 15k on this year's T4 for instructing "full-time". And all that with no chance of multi-time. I believe you start on 18k at Carson, and obviously the flying is much more valuable than buzzing around in the circuit staring at the Hobbs. Heck, I could even keep my 2nd job with my evening and weekends being free!

I don't think I'd go around telling people I worked for so little, I'd be pretty embarrassed. Mostly because I know people would be asking me if I was a retard to be working a job like that for such low wages. You can't even tell the owner there to shove it because he will laugh at you because he's got a pool of eager pilots willing to fly for free which is sad. Best of luck to everyone.

[Lurch]

Probably gonna show around 15k on this year's T4 for instructing "full-time". And all that with no chance of multi-time. I believe you start on 18k at Carson, and obviously the flying is much more valuable than buzzing around in the circuit staring at the Hobbs. Heck, I could even keep my 2nd job with my evening and weekends being free!

Here you go folks, this is the reason the industry is so messed up.

[Cat Driver]

The industry is screwed right at the very roots.

When there are self confessed instructors who fly around the circuit staring at the hobbs they should not be instructing.

[Flybabe]

Wow...

[Randleman]

Cat Driver, is it just me, or do you seem to turn every thread into a "Bash flying as a job" thread?

[toelessjoe]

I'm sorry, but I have to go with Cat here.

The salaries in entry level aviation are simply atrocious. If you were to tell a recent teacher's college graduate that they were expected to teach a classroom of third graders for less than the current minimum wage (by a margin of over $5000 according to the aforementioned T4 slip) he\she would would tell you (in a very polite, edumacated way) to pound the proverbal sand. While I don't feel that new pilots are worth their weight in gold by any stretch, you should be paid a little more than than the kids handcuffed to their sewing machines making sweatpants for the latest Kathy Lee Gifford collection. (Remeber her?) Even if you are a flight instructor.

Sorry if I hijacked the thread, I'm done ranting now.

edited for spelling 'cause I'm just a pilot. Any other mistakes are yours to correct.

[Cobra64]

you should be paid a little more than than the kids handcuffed to their sewing machines making sweatpants for the latest Kathy Lee Gifford collection. (Remeber her?) Even if you are a flight instructor.

Ya but do they get to wear these ...

[Rowdy]

Doubtful you could work your other job. Those guys put in long days. Split duty days and such... plus you need 8hrs PRONE rest.. so if you get caught flying the next day without any sleep after working another job. Your ass is in a sling

[Cat Driver]

Cat Driver, is it just me, or do you seem to turn every thread into a "Bash flying as a job" thread?

I can't speak for you Randleman because I have no idea what you think your services as a pilot is worth.

Personally I don't fly for slave wages.

It is all about your own personal view of your own worth so if you are happy with working for slave wages then you are part of the problem.

[rigpiggy]

What is the difference between a large pizza, and a flight instructor?

[Big Pistons Forever]

Probably gonna show around 15k on this year's T4 for instructing "full-time". And all that with no chance of multi-time. I believe you start on 18k at Carson, and obviously the flying is much more valuable than buzzing around in the circuit staring at the Hobbs. Heck, I could even keep my 2nd job with my evening and weekends being free!

News flash. Instructing (and pretty much all the other entry level flying jobs) have terrible pay. It always has and probably always will. So unless you are stupid you knew this when you started your flight instructor training, right ? Don't like it find another line of work. BUT if you stay you owe your best efforts to your students. Yes it sucks and is unfair you can not make a living wage but this is a small industry and pilots who work hard and do the best job they can do, get noticed,
not to mention flight instructing, done right, will build your foundation stick and rudder skills and really nail down the theoretical knowledge foundation which underpins all flying.

[Lurch]

What is the difference between a large pizza, and a flight instructor?

The guy delivering the pizza doesn't call himself a professional

Lurch

[Randleman]

Cat Driver, is it just me, or do you seem to turn every thread into a "Bash flying as a job" thread?

I can't speak for you Randleman because I have no idea what you think your services as a pilot is worth.

Personally I don't fly for slave wages.

It is all about your own personal view of your own worth so if you are happy with working for slave wages then you are part of the problem.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but you made your point many times...all it takes is once.

[FlaplessDork]

Probably gonna show around 15k on this year's T4 for instructing "full-time". And all that with no chance of multi-time. I believe you start on 18k at Carson, and obviously the flying is much more valuable than buzzing around in the circuit staring at the Hobbs. Heck, I could even keep my 2nd job with my evening and weekends being free!

I made $30K to $35K as a full time hourly wage class 3. When I was a class 4 it was slightly less.

[marktheone]

The flesh and bones have been beaten off of this dead horse.

[UKPilot]

So what you guys are saying is you don't know if the job has been filled?

[Cat Driver]

The horse is alive and well, so lets keep beating it.