Is there anywhere to do a Caravan PPC in Canada?

[Duncan Idaho]

Like the title says, anyone know someplace in Canada that has a C208 simulator? Flight Safety only has programs for 1900's and stuff in Canada, but they do C208 simulator training in Wichita among others. Just wondering if anyone knows a place in Canada you can do the Caravan in.

Thanks!

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-istp

[Duncan Idaho]

I'm not going to pay for my own ppc istp, I'm looking to find a place to send someone to get trained who doesn't have his passport.

[B-rad]

Why doesn't he get his passport?

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We need clarification on these things, Duncan Idaho.

I have no idea, but good luck!

-istp

[Doc]

I'm not going to pay for my own ppc istp, I'm looking to find a place to send someone to get trained who doesn't have his passport.

I think you're hooped. First off, you can't "buy" a PPC. Only an employing company can give you a PPC. PPC's don't exist outside of employment.
Are you the employer? Or the pilot?
The only "school" I know of is FSI that is Canadian Government approved. But even FSI can only train you to proficiency. No PPC's to be had there. He can do the training there and set up a PPC when employed. Why the lack of a Passport? The need to have a Passport didn't happen yesterday. Can this person NOT get a Passport?
I have an old expired one I can sell you...

[Duncan Idaho]

Yeah the pilot's employed. It's just time sensitive. We have someone we do the rides with I'm just looking for a 208 simulator. FSI? What/where is that? Sounds like you have the answers!

[Mig29]

FSI - Flight Safety International (Downsview)

[Doc]

You can do a PPC without any FSI etc., if you limit him to freight, IFR or VRF, day and night. The only thing he can't do is carry paying passengers at night, or IFR. In short....freight any time, any place. Pax, only day VFR.

If you don't really need to carry pax at night, or IFR (do you really want to? It's a single engine fixed gear airplane)?? You can save about 10K$

FSI in Toronto does C208??? I did not know that. It's not well advertised, if true......I have major doubts.

[B-rad]

It's for night pax and IFR flights Doc. And I don't see any problem with that plane doin it.

[HO Driver]

Here we go. SEIFR debate in 3...2...1....
Squawking 7500

[niss]

Here we go. SEIFR debate in 3...2...1....
Squawking 7500

I'm the Air Marshall.


No one is hijacking this plane on my watch.......

Hey man, that is totally what the Mods should be called here, air marshals.

[raven54]

FSI in Downsview does NOT have a c-208 sim. They have DHC-8 (100/200/300/400), DHC-7, DHC-6, BE1900 (I think...?) plus some jet stuff (again, not too sure).

[100LL]

My understanding is that you do not need a Passport to travel to the United States. You need an approved travel document. It just happens that the only approved document most people can get is a Passport. I believe a pilot's licence is an approved travel document. It is issued by the federal government, and states country of citizenship. The new licence looks very much like a passport. I suggest doing a bit of research and seeing if he can get down to the states with only his pilot's licence. I'm interested to know if he successfully travels there and back with only his licence.

[B-rad]

um, the thing is he doesn't have a REAL pilot licence either.. but he did stay at a holiday in last night

[Conquest Driver]

I think you can get an "Emergency" passport on quite short notice. Something like 72 hours springs to mind if you're prepared to walk your documents into a passport office and pay a couple of hundred extra bucks. I think you need the passport to get TSA approal to train. If you pilot doesn't have a pre-existing voer 12.5 type rating that can take quite some time.

I'm not aware of any 208 sims in Canada

[Sleeve of Wizard]

I think you need the passport to get TSA approal to train. If you pilot doesn't have a pre-existing voer 12.5 type rating that can take quite some time.

Negative... while it is a fact that you require a TSA clearance for training over 12,500 lbs, the C208 does not require the TSA clearance.

FSI definitely does not have C208 sims in Canada. I am fairly confident that no one else does either. You can't get around the SE IFR issue unless you have the sim training.

There may be other factors involved, not to pass judgement, but a valid passport should be part of any professional pilot's portfolio.

[Brewhouse]

There are only two C-208 sims that I know of. One is in Wichita Kansas its a flight safety sim, I have been to that one a couple of times. The second one is the PanAm sim in Tennisee (sp) I haven't been to that one but a few pilots I flew with have. The PanAm sim is a couple of thousand dollars cheaper than the flight safety course. From what I understand the PanAm outfit trains all of the fed ex pilots. I know for a fact there are no 208 sims in Canada so you are SOL there. Good luck!

[200hr Wonder]

In order to do PPC training in the US the following needs to happen:

You need to be able to cross the border into the US, so a Passport is required by air. You can get this in 24hours but you do need to deal with a passport office. Info is here: http://www.ppt.gc.ca/cdn/urgent.aspx?lang=eng you need tickets booked and paid for.

Then you need to jump through the Homeland Security hoops to get approved as a foreign national to get flight training in the US. If the person has never done this before it can be a pain in the butt. If they have once you are approved you are approved.

You need to have finger prints take, there are only 4 places that can do it in Canada one in Saskatoon, 2 in Quebec and one in Leduc.
http://www.tsc-csc.com/printoffices/GetAirports.cfm

Then there is all the TSA stuff that is required that your school can help with and that takes around 2 weeks minimum.

[Sleeve of Wizard]

You do not require a TSA clearance for a Caravan... it's under 12,500 lbs

[Plim Sole]

US Immigration: "Hello Sir, welcome to the USA, can I see your passport please?"

Pilot attempting to enter USA: "I don't have one but I have some old Canadian toilet paper that says I'm a pilot, will that be OK? I even have the new license in the style of a passport with a photo that also says I'm a pilot."

US Immigration: "I'm afraid not Sir, please pop over there and speak with the large gentleman with the facial hair, mirrored sun-glasses and rubber glove... Lucky you have some TP on you. Have a nice day Sir."

[AuxBatOn]

100LL,

From the CBSA website :


http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/whti-ivho/ai ... n-eng.html

Canadian citizens travelling by air to, through or from the United States must present one of the following valid documents:

•a passport; or
•a NEXUS card when used at a kiosk at designated Canadian airports and at all U.S. airports when returning to Canada.
This requirement applies to all travellers, regardless of age, including children.

You need the passport of the NEXUS card. The only exception to this I can think of is military personnel travelling on a NATO travel order. Your license won't cut it.

[2R]

Talk to your insurance before you spend any money on training as some pilots cannot be approved to fly the Caravan.
It can be expensive to send someone to sim train them up only to find out that the insurance will not approve them.

[wallypilot]

sheesh...the mixed up contradictory information you get on here. Some is correct, some is false, but for those who don't know, how do you filter the good stuff?

First, there are no 208 sims in canada.

Second, you can probably find an idle C208 airplane right now that someone could train the guy with under their OC, use your Inspector to get the ride done, then transfer the PPC to your own organization.

third, you can get a passport on a rush for an extra 50 bucks or so if you live in a place withe a passport office. (I forget the exact amount, but I did it just last year and wasn't a couple hundred extra, that's for sure).

Fourth, I am pretty sure the above poster was correct in saying that you don't need TSA clearance to do a Caravan training course. I am pretty sure that if you are doing training on an aircraft less than 12,500 MTOW, than no clearance is required unless it's training towards an actual license or Multi IFR certification. HOwever, you should confirm this with the "Alien Flight Student Program" by starting at their website which is www.flightschoolcandidates.gov

Hope this helps...be careful what you believe on this site, particularly this thread. People are trying to be helpful, but some are just wrong in what they think they know.

[Doc]

I'm doing an FSI course (C208) in Wichita the first week of April.
I do have previous US SIM time with USAIR, many years ago on an aircraft over 12,500. I also have previous courses with FSI in Wichita and STL.
FSI requires (from me)..Valid Passport, Pilot Licence and medical.
YMMV

Going out on a limb here, but my bet is...you will need a Passport.