CANJET DOING GREAT!

[Trainer]

Maestro,

Re your question:

"Is CJ losing flying
I've heard from a few sources that this is happening."

Your sources are incorrect.

CanJet is a well oiled machine and is meeting its perfromance targets. As far as we know, CanJet IS NOT losing any flying. Rumors to the contrary are without any merit and IMO are being tossed out there by pot stirrers. Product integrity is being well maintained and OTP are within the targets established.

The December hickup growing from 5 to 14 airplanes has been previously addressed "ad naseum" in this forum so no need to go over that ground. Those logistical issues were quickly dealt with and resolved.

CanJet is currently interviewing for a number of positions for a spring hire.

T

[Donald]

CanJet is currently interviewing for a number of positions for a spring hire.

T

Is German fluency a requirement?

NG rating?

Capt's still start at $85K?

[CJ6]

1. no
2. no
3. yes...for now...

[Kitababy]

Do they do biz in Edmonton? Will they be hiring for CSA & FA positions Does anyone know?

[ajet32]

FA's based in YYZ, YUL and YHZ. All hiring for YYZ and YUL. CSA work in YEG is I think handled by contractors.

[yycflyguy]

CanJet is currently interviewing for a number of positions for a spring hire.

T

Is German fluency a requirement?

NG rating?

Capt's still start at $85K?

[Tibor]

85 K for a Captain on an airliner.....

Thanks guys for bringing the pay curve way down.

[CJ6]

you're welcome...

I don't know what I was thinking...85k, and upset idiots like you, or not be able to provide for my wife and 2 kids, just to try and prove a point to canjet...hmmm

how about you think before you write...

[invertedattitude]

150K/ year to live in Toronto or Montreal,

Or 85K to live in the Maritimes... I'd choose the latter any day.

Those of you not from here just don't understand, down here 85K/year is a lot of money.

[BLZD1]

Invertedattitude they are hiring for YUL and YYZ not YHZ.

[True North]

Those of you not from here just don't understand, down here 85K/year is a lot of money.

Bullshit.

But a good attempt at rationalization.

[CJ6]

guess what is comes down to is that we're just happy to have a job. we're not stupid, we know its below industry standards...and we want more, but they know we'd do it to stay in yhz. but from my comment above the "85 k FOR NOW" with canjet expanding outside of the maritimes, hopefully they'll bump the pay...like BLZD1 stated they are hiring for yyz and yul. so the "they'll do anything to stay in the maritimes" mind frame dosen't really apply anymore. i just don't get why so many people care about what we get paid...its our job, and if you don't like the pay don't come here....I don't like listening to you wine on here...and I'd hate it even more to have you sitting beside me wining. Why not bitch about how AC pays their pilots so much, and such a bad business plan, or even one at all, they keep driving themselves into bankrupcty, and there is nothing left in the pension fund cause the company went and spent it all...talk about that for a bit...

[CJ6]

and so you all don't get the wrong idea and go off...I'm not a hater towards AC...I'm just making a point that you could sit down and pick apart any company...just some people like to point out specific ones at specific companies that they don't even work for...childish

[yycflyguy]

guess what is comes down to is that we're just happy to have a job. we're not stupid, we know its below industry standards...and we want more, but they know we'd do it to stay in yhz. but from my comment above the "85 k FOR NOW" with canjet expanding outside of the maritimes, hopefully they'll bump the pay...like BLZD1 stated they are hiring for yyz and yul. so the "they'll do anything to stay in the maritimes" mind frame dosen't really apply anymore. i just don't get why so many people care about what we get paid...its our job, and if you don't like the pay don't come here....I don't like listening to you wine on here...and I'd hate it even more to have you sitting beside me wining. Why not bitch about how AC pays their pilots so much, and such a bad business plan, or even one at all, they keep driving themselves into bankrupcty, and there is nothing left in the pension fund cause the company went and spent it all...talk about that for a bit...

I saw this attitude at every step of aviation. Guys that think it is ok to do the job for a couple of bucks less than the next guy because hopefully they will be compensated properly somewhere down the line. Wake up. It never happens. There is an endless line up of guys with this attitude who will low ball the last remuneration. It is precisely this situation where a college of professional pilots would help maintain a standard.

150K/ year to live in Toronto or Montreal,

Or 85K to live in the Maritimes... I'd choose the latter any day.

Those of you not from here just don't understand, down here 85K/year is a lot of money.

It doesn't matter where you live. The responsibility of a skipper on a 737 is way more valuable than $85k a year.

[mattedfred]

the college will not be responsible for setting pay rates as far as i know

how do trades and professionals set their rates on a regional basis? does a journeyman plumber get the same rate in NS as ON?

however, i would support national rates for federally regulated employees such as pilots

this is why the concept of a single seniority list at the 705 level makes so much sense. the YVR pilot would make a living while the YWG pilot would live like a king. nothing wrong with that.

[ivanhoe]

guess what is comes down to is that we're just happy to have a job. we're not stupid, we know its below industry standards...and we want more, but they know we'd do it to stay in yhz. but from my comment above the "85 k FOR NOW" with canjet expanding outside of the maritimes, hopefully they'll bump the pay...like BLZD1 stated they are hiring for yyz and yul. so the "they'll do anything to stay in the maritimes" mind frame dosen't really apply anymore. i just don't get why so many people care about what we get paid...its our job, and if you don't like the pay don't come here....I don't like listening to you wine on here...and I'd hate it even more to have you sitting beside me wining. Why not bitch about how AC pays their pilots so much, and such a bad business plan, or even one at all, they keep driving themselves into bankrupcty, and there is nothing left in the pension fund cause the company went and spent it all...talk about that for a bit...

I saw this attitude at every step of aviation. Guys that think it is ok to do the job for a couple of bucks less than the next guy because hopefully they will be compensated properly somewhere down the line. Wake up. It never happens. There is an endless line up of guys with this attitude who will low ball the last remuneration. It is precisely this situation where a college of professional pilots would help maintain a standard.

150K/ year to live in Toronto or Montreal,

Or 85K to live in the Maritimes... I'd choose the latter any day.

Those of you not from here just don't understand, down here 85K/year is a lot of money.

It doesn't matter where you live. The responsibility of a skipper on a 737 is way more valuable than $85k a year.

Some interesting similarities here...http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/ ... nion-town/

[Tibor]

CJ6,

I dont want to work at Canjet, or be anywhere near you. The point is companies do salary surveys of other similar operators (same equipment) every year or two and get an average from that to gauge whether or not to increase/decrease/maintain their pay. So of course every operator of 737's will add Canjet to the 5 or 6 companies they reference, thus bringing the curve down (WAY down). Thats why I and all other pilots care, or should care what you make. You will, or are already, screwing many pilots out of thousands of dollars.

This happens at all levels, whether it be an FTU with 172's, Corporate aircraft operators, and yes airlines all over the world.

Pick up a copy of the Pro Pilot July Issue from any year. Thats when they publish their Pilot Salary Survey that shows that exact information and many companies base their raises, or even starting salaries on those numbers.

so again, thanks for bringing the curve down

[bigskyjoc]

150K/ year to live in Toronto or Montreal,

Or 85K to live in the Maritimes... I'd choose the latter any day.

Those of you not from here just don't understand, down here 85K/year is a lot of money.

And the winner of the most intelligent post of the week is...

[flyin' fish]

85k in the Maritimes is alot of money???? Highest taxed province in the country, the NDP wants to raise the HST and property tax is just plain too much. It would be great if you got something more for it, but you don't. The only thing remotely cheap there is real estate, and that depends on where you want to live. 85K is alot of money to maritimers because they can live happily with less, but that old concept is fading fast.

[CJ6]

[quote]I dont want to work at Canjet, or be anywhere near you.[quote="Tibor"]

Like I said...childish...

[Tibor]

CJ6

I simply responded to your post:

i just don't get why so many people care about what we get paid...its our job, and if you don't like the pay don't come here....I don't like listening to you wine on here...and I'd hate it even more to have you sitting beside me wining.

The rest of my post was explaining my original comment of:

85 K for a Captain on an airliner.....

Thanks guys for bringing the pay curve way down.

And I even ignored the fact you called me an idiot.

so lets see...... you are the one calling others names and I'm the child? Do you understand what I am saying about the pay curve or are you just going to call me more hurtful names like idiot and a child?

edited for a spelling mistake

[Anti-Ice]

Tibor,

Are you really holding Canjet pilots responsible for the current salary scale?

That seems a little inappropriate to me...after all isn't management one half of this dance? Of course Canjet pilots held out for as much as they could, as long as they could...do you think otherwise?

Ya we may have brought your pay scales down some, but at least we helped ressurect a company and produce hundreds of pilot jobs for Canada. With Transat fighting tooth and nail to recover some of the flying lost to us, and our renegotiations coming up I'm sure ALL our salaries will go up.

If you don't like it, then dedicate some time to the 'college of professional pilots' Once that happens we'll all be ok right?

(so tired of people who think any pilot working for OTHER then AC/WJ is shit)

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[Legacy]

Sorry CJ6 and Anti Ice but these guys are right. There are King Air/Metro pilots almost making that much. Ken is living like a king at the sacrifice of you guys.

[stick_shaker]

You are bang on, the pay at Canjet is not enough, not even close. I am one of those making 85k. yes it does lower the bar. I never said i was happy about it. Please tell me what I was supposed to do, unemployed with a wife on mat leave and a baby on the way. 750$ every 2 weeks on EI just doesn't cut it. Ask yourself this, would you have taken the job in my or just about all my colleagues position? or would you wait it out to “show them” and feed your family KD.
My priority is my wife and my child. period. Now that i have a job and money is coming in I can look for something else, but at the time there was nothing.

If you think we are happy about it you guys are way off the mark, i don't know any of us are content with the pay scale, but again we had no choice.

When the industry picks and more jobs become available i think you will see people move on. But till then please try and understand our position and not that this makes it ok but 85K was a huge improvement on what was being paid to year 1 captain at C6 in the past.

I thought we were all on the same team here, I am sick and tired of getting the sly looks at the terminals and airports, you don't know my situation so please don't judge me.

If you ask me you are the ones lowering the bar of professionalism amongst pilots. And for those other ALPA members out there why don’t you have a read of the ALPA code of ethics once and a while.

I hope you never have to go through a bankruptcy as I did, but if you ever do I will guarantee you that you would have done the exact same thing as me.