Jetstreams are so roomy Inside!

[ScudRunner]

http://swanbergair.com/




Why do companies do that? Stick some picture of a hot Biscuit Shooter in an Airbus and the biggest thing they operate is a J31.

[Flybaby]

I would say it's a minor party foul; it's not like other carriers that have a 747 on their home page where the biggest plane they fly is a Ho.

[Samson]

So potential customers don't realize they are sh!t.

[Invertago]

Good thing flight schools never show the 4 gold bars Captain posing in of the 737 engine.

[grimey]

Swanberg flies the Tardis? I think I'd be willing to pay for a PPC for that.

[The Hammer]

On Dec 21, 2010 the Jetstream will be very roomy when they are only allowed to carry 9 passengers (sfar 41c grandfather clause is history)

[Samson]

Just the Jetstream or other aeroplanes too?

[Big Pistons Forever]

On Dec 21, 2010 the Jetstream will be very roomy when they are only allowed to carry 9 passengers (sfar 41c grandfather clause is history)

Rumour is that the deadline will be extended

[Nark]

SFAR is usually an FAA thing, is Canada following suit for there Canadian only ops? Or are they required if the carrier has a part 129 cert?

[privateer]

It wouldn't be the first time that somebody hijacked a picture.



"Sunwest 1900"
http://www.barxh.com/pdf/20090721-beech-1900d.pdf

[ajet32]

All SFAR41C Aircraft, this includes but is not limited to Jetstream31,Metro2 ( Metro3 ??), Beech 1900B & C and any other A/C certified under the SFAR41C rules.
It really has to do with 2nd stage climb certification, or lack of.
This has been known about for at least 5 years or more and has been extended already twice I think. Last i heard not anymore; but don't hold me to that.

[Nark]

Here is more info:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/maint ... s/B005.htm

[Mad Flying Ace]

Swanberg flies the Tardis? I think I'd be willing to pay for a PPC for that.

beam me up as well!

MFA

[J31]

All SFAR41C Aircraft, this includes but is not limited to Jetstream31,Metro2 ( Metro3 ??), Beech 1900B & C and any other A/C certified under the SFAR41C rules.
It really has to do with 2nd stage climb certification, or lack of.
This has been known about for at least 5 years or more and has been extended already twice I think. Last i heard not anymore; but don't hold me to that.

This has been in the CAR’s since their inception in 1996, and only the wording has been amended! There are two things that will come into force December 20, 2010.

One affects sFAR 41 certified aircraft along the likes of the Jetstream 31, Metro III, Beech 1900C. They will not be legal to operate scheduled passenger service under CAR’s 704 operations. (More than 9 passengers)

These aircraft do have engine out performance but they do not meet the standard “Net Take-off Flight Path”

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/regse ... tm#724a_47
(2) Aeroplanes Certified to sFAR 41 - Special Conditions
The standard for conducting a take-off using a large propeller-driven aeroplane without demonstrating that the Net Take-off Flight Path provides obstacle clearance is as follows:
(a) the aeroplane is certified in accordance with sFAR 41 and is being used in an on demand operation; or
(b) until December 20, 2010, is certified in accordance with sFAR 41.
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The other one affects aircraft with a MCTOW of 12566 lbs or less operating under CAR’s 704. Aircraft like Beech 99/100/200, Metro II, EMB110, DHC-6, etc. These aircraft are presently exempt from “Accelerate Stop Distance Required” and carring over 9 passengers. As of December 20, 2010 they will be limited to CAR’s 703 with max 9 passengers.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/regse ... tm#724a_46
724.46 Take-off Weight Limitations
(1) Relief from Accelerate-stop Distance Requirements
The standards for conducting a take-off in an aeroplane that is propeller driven without demonstrating that Accelerate Stop Distance Required does not exceed Accelerate Stop Distance Available are:
(amended 2006/06/30; previous version)
(a) the air operator shall comply with all take-off weight limitations set out in the aircraft flight manual; and
(b) the air operator meets one or more of the following conditions:
(i) prevents more than 9 passenger seats from being occupied,
(ii) uses an aeroplane with a MCTOW of 5 700 kg (12,566 lb) or less and is being operated on demand, or
(amended 2006/06/30; previous version)
(iii) until December 20, 2010, uses an aeroplane with a MCTOW of 5 700 kg (12,566 lb) or less.
(amended 2006/06/30; previous version)

[ajet32]

J31 Thanks for the update I used to fly the 31 a lot but have been away from it for some years. Those who operated them knew this was coming along time ago. I didn't realize it was in the CAR's from the beginning.
Cheers

[flyinhigh]

sorry you'll have to forgive me guys on this, i've never heard of it before.

So this thing that is expiring will effect the metro's and such. From what I read here it sounds that to carry more than 9 pax on the turbo prop you must meet and certain climb performace on one engine lilke after V1. Am I correct?

Has this always been a requirement flying this size of Aircraft?

And lastely if that is the case, what will companies like Bearskin, Perimeter do that are flying the metros do, I see that the metro was listed on that site.

thanks

[ei ei owe]

One affects sFAR 41 certified aircraft along the likes of the Jetstream 31, Metro III, Beech 1900C. They will not be legal to operate scheduled passenger service under CAR’s 704 operations. (More than 9 passengers)

Metro III can continue 704. Metro II cannot.

[ei ei owe]

One affects sFAR 41 certified aircraft along the likes of the Jetstream 31, Metro III, Beech 1900C. They will not be legal to operate scheduled passenger service under CAR’s 704 operations. (More than 9 passengers)

Metro III can continue 704. Metro II cannot.

In other news, anyone hear about Hawkair & CMA?

[Rubberbiscuit]

Only a pilot would notice the airplane interior "deviations" in the background! There is a picture of a beautiful girl at the top of this thread and you guys are comparing performance specs?? From a customer standpoint and on a more serious note, if I saw that I would take it as a message sent indicating that a young, professionally dressed cabin crew is on the job.

[The Hammer]

Metro 3 & beech 1900B&C were all certified under ICAO annex 8 (as well as SFAR 41C) and do meet 2nd segment climb requirements.

[loopa]

Good thing flight schools never show the 4 gold bars Captain posing in of the 737 engine.

AHAHAH, gold !

[50'minimums]

Are J31's operated 704, or 705?

[iflyforpie]

Only a pilot would notice the airplane interior "deviations" in the background! There is a picture of a beautiful girl at the top of this thread and you guys are comparing performance specs?? From a customer standpoint and on a more serious note, if I saw that I would take it as a message sent indicating that a young, professionally dressed cabin crew is on the job.

But wouldn't the cute female F/A actually be the pimply-faced male F/O, fresh from a crash-pad with a dryer-ironed pilot shirt, smelling like this morning's coffee mixed with last night's beer?