AVIATION MAINTENANCE IN CANADA

[jca]

I've been reading a few forums on here, and I'm getting the impression that the aviation industry is no anymore here in Canada.
No AMO´s, no manufacturers,no strong aviation companies. In other hand is hard to get the AME license, for what? 4 years after school. The best aviation organization on the world FAA only requiere 18 months of practical experience to get licensed. Also in every country ALL EXAMINATIONS ARE PUBLIC DOCUMENT, EVERY COUNTRY HAS OFFICIAL BOOKS WHERE EVERY ONE CAN STUDY THE BANK OF QUESTION FOR EVERY SINGLE EXAMINATION. WHY CANADA DOESN´T DO THE SAME, IT IS PROFESSIONAL. MEXICO HAS 19.850 AIRCRAFT MECHANICS LICENSED, BRAZIL HAS 22.659 AIRCRAF MECHANICS LICENSED, AND CANADA HAS AROUND 12.000 IN ACCORDING TO THE LAST UPDATE.
Why Canada doesn´t have publics bank of questions for every examination.
I have been been in Mexico and the aviation maintenance industry are stronger, the same in others countries like El Salvador, Colombia, Brazil and Chile.
What´s wrong here. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[mag check]

All the countries you mentioned have one thing in common, they don't have to deal with TC

[ALF]

Good point JCA.
Why even write exams...we all know that as soon as you get out of tech school you know everything there is to know.

You want to be given the answers...go find them, they are in the text books.

[Bulawrench]

I hate to be the first one to say it this time but how about an English book first.

[Widow]

You aren't the first ... posts have been deleted. Please consider english may not be the user's first language and remember personal attacks are verboten.

[Vickers vanguard]

El salvador, Mexico ? what a high standards ! we should follow their example ...sure. A&P ? some experience fixing clunkers, a week crash course and you have your piece of toilet paper.

[Cranium]

Canadian standards are much higher for an AME license than an American A&P. It's more like an IA, which is more difficult to come by and maintain in the US.

Canada has not published its exam bank for a couple reasons: CARs are still changing (especially Chapter 5); and, our exam questions are similar to the FAA's.

There are fewer licensed AME's in Canada because of population (30,000,000 compared to 106,000,000 (Mexico), 191,971,506 (Brazil) (googled those); and Canadian and American companies outsource their work to cheaper labor. If a company can get away with paying $10 a day instead of $100 a day and only affect safety, they will.

[Pat Richard]

Also in every country ALL EXAMINATIONS ARE PUBLIC DOCUMENT, EVERY COUNTRY HAS OFFICIAL BOOKS WHERE EVERY ONE CAN STUDY THE BANK OF QUESTION FOR EVERY SINGLE EXAMINATION. WHY CANADA DOESN´T DO THE SAME, IT IS PROFESSIONAL. MEXICO HAS 19.850 AIRCRAFT MECHANICS LICENSED, BRAZIL HAS 22.659 AIRCRAF MECHANICS LICENSED, AND CANADA HAS AROUND 12.000 IN ACCORDING TO THE LAST UPDATE.

What about EASA? Seems to me it has a better reputation than your "best in the world FAA", so why have'nt they dumbed down their requirements so everyone can get a license?

And that, in a nutshell, is what you seem to going on about..making easy for anyone to get a license. Yeah, that's exactly what is needed , and you seem to be thinking quantity = quality.
Most who work in this business know all to well the "quality" that tends to come out of the countries you mention. the only reason the mentioned countries might have "stronger industries" is because they pay 1/8 of what a mech here would make. Thats why they might be busy, because they sure ain't known for their quality work.

You're also asking for the test questions before you write the exam?? Are you freaking serious??! How about knowing your trade well enough to answer the questions when tested?? Too tough?? What does that tell anyone about the quality of the people in the countries who do that? You seem to think its "professional".

If anyone can't hack the current requirements in place, too bad, try something else.

Nobody owes you or anyone else, an easy career in aviation, and your reasoning is ludicrous(look it up).

[jca]

I,m reading from one week ago an Aviation British Magazine, where it explains that the best countries for do high quality maintenance task are German, France, China, Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, El Salvador and Chile, for high its quality world on the world and high technical standard and high reputation.
That is the reason why Aircanada and other companies are looking for quality job outside, and why they are looking for countries like El Salvador.
I know that Canada has the second bigger fleet of airplanes after USA, but no to many licensed in compare with small countries, hear me : Licensed is equal to Professional, No Licensed means EMPIRICAL .
In according to the size of the fleet Canada is the second one on the world for around 12.000 licensed and 73.000 no licensed.All latin American aviation Schools offer 3 year of deep knowledge and Helicopters in two years, only helicopters, Here, our schools offer two years of training including Airplanes, helicopters, turbines.
I´m from Brazil, and right now I hold: FAA, JAR, Aircraft Mechanic from Mexico and Canadian Licenses.

[shannon]

Did I read that correctly? 3 years for fixed wing specialty and 2 years for rotary specialty?

[Vickers vanguard]

That is the reason why Aircanada and other companies are looking for quality job outside, and why they are looking for countries like El Salvador.
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Keep going like this, and you're gonna piss a lot of people on this forum, starting by me. What the f*&$#! are you doing here, getting Canadian licenses ? if the after mentioned countries have it so better, why don't you do us all a great favor, and go there. Stay in Brazil man, it's much better, keep building those awsome barbie planes, aka Embraer, It's crap here after all, right ? who wants to come here.......but they all do, and when they can't have it their way...the bitching starts. We're already struggling to slow the downfall of this industry, and we don't need more people with wallmart style ideas.

[Vickers vanguard]

Brazil, Colombia, El Salvador and Chile, for high its quality world on the world and high technical standard and high reputation.
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I have to admit the above locations have a very high reputation for shemales and drug/kidnapping activities...as for aviation....???????

[c170b53]

Interesting, with regard to your licenses, can you turn a wrench? Or do you just have a fixation with match book advertisements and find the exam formats bothersome?

[palebird]

JCA,

You are reading from a magazine??Do you believe everything you read?? Is that the extent of your knowledge?? edited

[Pat Richard]

The troubling part of all this is that I could see TC/CAMC doing just what he rants on about.
When(if?) it does start to get busy again, I believe the lack of interested and experienced AME's will result in lobbying by the industry to slacken licensing requirements. If they do this, and it happens, the numbers of "licensed" guys should increase as ANYBODY could potentially get in. CAMC looks to gearing up for just that.

If that happens, and a certain demographic(used to 1/8 wages elsewhere) start to fill the ranks, guess what happens to our already shit wages?

On the other hand, it cost so freaking much to live in Canada, Im not sure how much less a guy could make. There is a limit as to how many you can pile into a townhouse.

Just adds more to the "What's the future of Canadian aviation?" question.

[Widow]

JCA, I suggest that if you are going to reference something that you read, you provide a link, or at minimum a specific reference - what was the "Aviation British Magazine" that you read, and what was the title of the article?

[jca]

Remember: Licensed means ................PROFESSIONAL (12.000) UNLICENSED (73.OOO) NO PROFESSIONAL LIKE PLUMBERS (poor and low quality professionality).
I worked for a Canadian company for 18 years, I am 64 years old, 40 years of experience starting from military and then in civil aviation in many countries, I´m living here in Florida, but believe me I am telling the truth about the real aviation problems in Canada, every one here in the MIA Miami International Airport knows that reality. Aviation Community know how great is Canada. I got my licensed 8 years ago, but believe the examinations was hard I DIDN´T KNOW IF STUDY HISTORY OR REAL AVIATION MAINTENANCE, but exams were focused in history, like the FIRST AND SECOND WORLD WAR. If you come here: we have 8 licensed for each ten technician, 80 % are licensed.
I met many Canadian people with huge actitude for the job , with 10 and 15 years of experience graduated from colleges, and they don´t have license so far.
Believe me I´m telling the thruth.

[monkeywrench]

Hey guys,
To JCA, well if you have all these licences then it should be a cake walk for you to pass the TC Exam, for what I hear it is far easier than EASA. I cant believe that you are asking for question banks . From what I hear these days you can do the AME course from ICS and all you have to do is pass the CARS exam, all other tests are done in the school itself where the instructors themselves will provide the answers before the exams.

I come from a third world country myself and as far as fairness in the industry is concerned, it does not get better than Canada, having said that it is not perfect by any means. I can say this cause I have worked in different countries and in different parts of Canada ranging from northwest territories to Toronto for big and small companies.

Coming back to your point of "strong industry" back where you came from, can you honestly say that you have refused to do something that your boss has "ordered" you to do?? Please be honest. Here in Canada, I can refuse to sign a MR if the work was not upto standards, can you do the same in the countries you mentioned I am expecting truth but I doubt it.

But my question to everyone else here who is talking about high Canadian Standards. How do you justify that a kid coming out from an ame school has only to write the CARS. All other exams are done during the course where the answers are given way before hand, (I have seen this myself).

[Grease Nipple]

The best aviation organization on the world FAA only requiere 18 months of practical experience to get licensed.

The "best"???? Have you ever worked on an american registered aircraft? The A&P license is the easiest license in the world to get. You don't need any training and only minimal experience to get it. The fact that it is so easy to get makes it worthless which is why they are paid squat. I hope to hell we don't go that route.

[Grease Nipple]

I´m from Brazil, and right now I hold: FAA, JAR, Aircraft Mechanic from Mexico and Canadian Licenses.

JAR no longer exists and Mexico uses the A&P. Can you tell us the titles of your licenses?? I get the feeling we are being trolled.

[212wrench]

When(if?) it does start to get busy again, I believe the lack of interested and experienced AME's will result in lobbying by the industry to slacken licensing requirements. If they do this, and it happens, the numbers of "licensed" guys should increase as ANYBODY could potentially get in. CAMC looks to gearing up for just that.

I work on the education side and I can assure you, this is already happening. Industy doesn't need AME's and they will lobby CAMC to make it happen. In five years you will not recognize what the AME license will turn into and the education that is required to obtain one. Stay tuned, this is gonna get messy.

[jca]

Tell me the truth about: EXELTECH, M Maintenance, Cascade Aerospace, Diamond Aircraft.............................................and right now Aircanada that noticed about 1010 Air mechanic will be out of work.
.........................................IT¨s no anymore Aviation Industry in Canada..................

[Vickers vanguard]

Camc taking over the whole licensing/standards thing would be the end of it. I just hope they won't(tc) let that happen, there are signs..... if we take into account the latest saga of TC regaining licensing, and oversight of 604 operators from the CBAA is one of them.

[crazy_aviator]

The accountable executive aught to be the knowledgeable person who has a stake in the airworthiness of the plane and the safety of the passengers,,,,guess who has these qualities ,,,the AME ,, When industry takes ALL authority away from the AME , we will see more and more accidents and lawsuits and a downward trend in this industry,,,,think SMS will correct it ? NOT a chance !!!

[Pat Richard]

IT¨s no anymore Aviation Industry in Canada

and you are saying the reason for that is because it is too hard to get the Canadian license???

Whatever dude.