CBC talking about the JetsGo pilot paying and getting f*cked

CFMartin · Post by **CFMartin** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:04 pm

CBC is talking about the JetsGo training bond and the pilots becoming creditors in the bankrupty...

Chantal · Post by **Chantal** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:17 pm

How many pilots are out? Apparently these airline companies use only one business model everytime and so there are many airlines going bankrupt. Guess its up to the pilots to learn about them.

Chantal · Post by **Chantal** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:58 pm

And another thing, there did seem to be more users in here today

what time do pilots go to bed? seems like you're all sleeping, Sleep tight

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:15 pm

Don't worry guys, I just called the flight Schools..

JG was a small player, the industry is going up and up!!!

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:23 am

CMA may have a ground school next month....

I miss Canada

Ray Darr · Post by **Ray Darr** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:52 pm

Chantal - I heard "only" 150 pilots were stuck with the bond out of some 300-ish pilots.

I ALSO heard everyone got their last paycheque!

Once again, best of luck to all involved.

TTail · Post by **TTail** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:09 pm

Just curious, did direct-entry captains also have to put up for the bond?

alpha speed · Post by **alpha speed** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:12 pm

225 pilots everyone paid and 60 were there long enough to get it all back.

TTail · Post by **TTail** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:18 pm

wow, I was under the impression it was just the FO's that had to go through the bond.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:36 pm

Getting the bond money back is a work in progress. I'll keep you guys posted.

BD, you'll find this ironic, but remember I've been saying that the bond is BS all along! Well we are all calling and writing our MP's, for 2 reasons.
Obviously to get the money back, but we the pilots are trying to push the subject before the parliament and it loooks like it will happen. In which case training bonds could potentially become banned. So lets hope.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:45 pm

I'll believe that MP's will lift a finger to support such a small part of the voting public when I see it. That being said; go nuts, it can't hurt to try.

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:16 pm

Good for you RB...someone has to do something about this BS. It's nothing short of a criminal act, from selling 17000 tickets weeks before a planned shutdown, to taking $30 G's from poor-ass pilots. This whole thing is drawing serious nationwide attention to our industry, and I hope you guys can change the way things are done for all of us. On a side note, I hope someone can tear this Leblanc a new one!!!

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:27 pm

Good going RB.

Can we help by also writing to our MP? I would imagine the more letters they get should help the cause.

Everyone will benefit if we can stop this kind of nonsense.

Let us know.

classiv · Post by **classiv** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:27 am

As has been said a million times before, the Jetsgo pilots knew the risks when they forked over their money.

They were playing the Lotto and they lost.

They were not screwed over because they knew what they were getting into.

Now, if Jetsgo said we'll pay you all your money back if the company goes under, and then they don't follow through on their word, then the pilots could be said to have been screwed over.

I don't see any fraud on Jetgo's part, just a bunch of pilots who took a big risk and lost.

If you want to harass your MP, tell him to stop giving EI and Grants to Flight Schools and student pilots that only serves to increase the fundamental problem in this industry:

Too many pilots and too few jobs.

Why else would highly qualified pilots fork over $30K in a high risk start up like Jetsgo?

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:10 am

Hurray, not only did they screw the industry once, but now they're going to screw us some more by talking to MPs.

Didn't anyone teach you people to STFU?

Arthur Q · Post by **Arthur Q** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:53 am

cyyz wrote:Hurray, not only did they screw the industry once, but now they're going to screw us some more by talking to MPs.

Didn't anyone teach you people to STFU?

Wow once again cyyz Very Classy

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:01 am

CYYC, you need to pull your little peanut sized head out of you phucking ass!
Go back and read all associated posts and threads before you pipe up.
I am not optimstisk about getting my money back and I am not sitting here waiting for Mike the white to come knocking on my door with a cheque in hand. Nor do I feel sorry for myself as I knew the risk involved.
That however does not mean that I am going to kiss the money goodbye.
There are many reasons to belive we will get them back, but I am not at liberty to discuss any of it at this time.

As far as us calling our MP's. It is not because we wan't them to call Mikey at home and ask for our money. We are hoping to get the governments attention in this, which is also the reason for all the pilots bringing the issue up in newspapers and on TV.
Hopefully we can make training bonds what they are anyway, illegal!!

sanjet · Post by **sanjet** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:03 am

RB, I support you all the way. As Jaques Strappe said, if there's something we can do (letters or wtv...) please don't hesitate to ask.

DeskDriver · Post by **DeskDriver** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:04 am

Go back and read all associated posts and threads before you pipe up.

I did! I really enjoyed the threads from a few months ago when you were talking about how Jetsgo was in great financial shape.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:11 am

Deskdriver

If you go back throughout the forums you will see that I am one of the guys who has been very vocal against people buying a PPC. Having said that, I see a possible opportunity where some good may come of this unfortunate situation.

We can all sit here and say " I told you so " or collectively, we can all do something that may help the industry as a whole.

A letter to your MP enlightening them of what goes on in this industry and the crazy risks involved just may help. The industry is very much in the spotlight right now making it a perfect time to act.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:21 am

Desk driver. I never said Jetsgo was in great shape. Isaid our loads were good and given the low operating cost I would be surprised if we were loosing money. I was wrong. Big deal, I guess you have the crystal ball of aviation in your over there! Please PM your address, I'd love to come over check out the future of Canadian aviation.

I don't have time to look up the post, but fairly resently I also said that despite my thoughts on the situation it did not mean Mikey would not close the doors any day! We were both right i guess.

Hey! the way I look at is that the future lays before me and I learned a shitload in my 8 short months with the company.

I have never to my own recollection defended Mikey the white himself...I have defended the people who worked there.

canoe · Post by **canoe** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:56 am

It's really too bad we as pilots can't just step up on our own and do something as simple as say "NO FU#$ING WAY" when we're asked to front unsecured money in order for a job. Instead we now need the gov't to protect us from ourselves and our coworkers.

I for one would never agree to paying for the job (even though it's paid back over time, with interest, bla, bla, bla), but if some good could come from this situation by somehow making these practices illegal, looked down upon, or by removing the ppc altogether I would be all for it. It stops my fellow pilots from buying a job just to jump to the front of the line ahead of me or someone else who doesn't believe it's right to pay for the right to work.

Bears a striking resemblence to the way nhl owners want protection from themselves and each other by having the players sign to a salary cap!

pontius · Post by **pontius** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:11 pm

The training bond controversy is not new; pilots, new and not so new, have been plagued by companies demanding bribes for employment for many years. As with any bribe, I think our contempt should be reserved mostly for those taking the graft, and have a little sympathy for the guys who feel they have to pay to get a job.
I also have problems understanding the business logic behind the system of bribes-whoops, I mean training bonds; I am not a student of economics, I have difficulty in understanding how a credit card works, for example, but the administration costs of collecting bribes, I mean training bonds, banking the cash, keeping track of who owes what to whom, must be substantial.
Here`s a thought-wouldn`t logic dictate that an individual who arrives at a company with 10,000 hours and a relevant type endorsement be in line for a large bag of money from the company for bringing all his assets to that company. Guess what people-it has happened! Ryanair in Ireland did
it some years ago, but if you join Ryanair without the necessary endorsements, then you pay for the check out, and buy your own uniform.
I have just retired after a number of years in the industry and I have come to the conclusion that there are only two certainties in the flying profession-nothing stays the same, and the law of supply and demand rules. There is really nothing we poor slaves can do about it but , as Confucius said, if rape is inevitable, relax, lay back, and enjoy it- I did!

redbeard · Post by **redbeard** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:58 pm

If you went to the bank and got a loan for that 30000 then it's your baby and you can scream all you want...on deaf ears!

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:30 pm

There is really nothing we poor slaves can do about it but , as Confucius said, if rape is inevitable, relax, lay back, and enjoy it- I did!

First of all that is one F*cked up way to look at things. Second, there is something you can do about it, don't give out $30, 000 to work for anyone.

CBC talking about the JetsGo pilot paying and getting f*cked

Funny how it says "JetsGo pilot getting f*cked". Noone held a gun to their heads and forced them to pay out $30,000, they f*cked themelfs and all the rest of us in this industry. I'm sure some will disagree, but I really don't care. The only people that are going to change aviation are the pilots..... when they stop selling themselfs and everyone else out.

CBC talking about the JetsGo pilot paying and getting f*cked

CBC talking about the JetsGo pilot paying and getting f*cked

Training bonds.