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Work for free????? No, I wil pay to work for you, please!!!!

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:59 am
by MickeyC
I read this twice and still understood it the same way. To me, it looks like the company is running a business and instead of paying pilots, you pay to fly for them. Hmmmm, I think I need to open a business like this!!!

I left the company name out, but if anyone wants to get it so they can go and pay to work, PM me.

I have heard about people working for free to get hours, but this is just crazy!!!!



***** *** ****** is currently accepting resumes from pilots.

*** ***** recruits pilots through its self-sponsor First Officer program on Beech 1900 aircraft.

For more information about these programs, please visit *** ***** website

Self-sponsor means that you, as the First Officer, have to pay to occupy the seat and log multi-engine hours. This is not an employment relationship, but a customer/client relationship where you are the customer.

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:59 am
by Bede
Is this Canada or the US?

I think a company in BC did something like this a few years ago and got shut down. Either you are an employee (and getting paid min wage) or a student (then you can't do revenue flights).

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:42 am
by Bushav8er
Quebec is my guess.

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:57 am
by Dust Devil
Bushav8er wrote:Quebec is my guess.
Nope Utah

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:33 am
by Hedley
Anyone want to pay me to mow my lawn?

I will accept bids starting at $10/hr. Applicants should feel free to log the John Deere PIC time. Needless to say, they will have to pay for their John Deere PPC.

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:59 pm
by PostmasterGeneral
I wonder if it's the same company, but wasn't Alpine Air trying to do something like this in the states? If it is them you're talking about, they want $27,000 to fly the 1900, and you only get 25-40 hours per month.

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:24 pm
by 200hr Wonder
Hint if you want to know who it is google "Self-sponsor means that you, as the First Officer, have to pay to occupy the seat and log multi-engine hours. This is not an employment relationship, but a customer/client relationship where you are the customer." and see what you find.

End Hint

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:43 pm
by Cougar
Hey, good hint. :prayer:

Brand XXXX has had two crashes in Montana I can recall -- one on an IFR takeoff which killed their chief pilot, and then one on a mail flight, I believe he was in good weather on a VFR night, but had leveled off at either 8500 or 9500 MSL.

If you ever flew in Montana, you sure wouldn't level off that low at night....

Anyway -- sad events...

I wouldn't go anywhere near them, from the comments I've heard.... but, that was a few years ago..

:(

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:44 pm
by Dagwood
I can't believe this add is not a joke. :cry:


If it was a CRJ, I'd think it's where Jet University grads go! :mrgreen:

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:22 pm
by gaamin
One company in Quebec does that : according to pilotcareercentre.com
"Pilots report that if hired, one has to pay for the initial PPC Training."

For that reason, it got bashed a lot on some French forums, and each time the thread would be deleted.

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:59 pm
by iflyforpie
To paraphrase George Carlin:

"I think we're already 'circling the drain' as professional pilots, but some would love to see the circles get a little faster and a little shorter."

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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:54 am
by Hedley
I can't believe no one wants to pay me to drive my John Deere:

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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:48 am
by fingersmac
Check out Eagle Jet International in the US. You can pay them for first officer training on anything from a Be99 to A340. Check out their pricing list. Sad thing is, according to threads on PPRUNE, there are waiting lists for most of their programs!

http://www.eaglejet.net

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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:51 pm
by Bushav8er
gaamin wrote:One company in Quebec does that : according to pilotcareercentre.com
"Pilots report that if hired, one has to pay for the initial PPC Training."

For that reason, it got bashed a lot on some French forums, and each time the thread would be deleted.
One I was thinking of does more - less? - than that. You fly right seat for nothing but multi experience, and its not even PIC - good deal huh.

Geez Hedley - I won't pay you to ride that and cut your grass - I have a mortgage to pay for - I will however do a good job and treat your equipment with respect. :wink:

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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:03 pm
by 4blue
Until you said 1900 I thought you were talking about Skydive Toronto.

At least at ST you'll be flying "the big airplanes your next employer will want you to have flown." <-- Seriously, that was on their ad.

I guess the 185 _is_ technically bigger than a 150... And I suppose an employer would prefer 185 to 150 time... but I think they might be stretching it a touch.

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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:30 pm
by dominusanopheles
wow. that's all i can say. wow.

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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:12 pm
by . ._
Hedley wrote:I can't believe no one wants to pay me to drive my John Deere:

Image
Hmm...

That is a pretty sweet John Deere...

Check your PMs.

-istp :P

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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:44 pm
by IBPilot
Hedley wrote:Anyone want to pay me to mow my lawn?

I will accept bids starting at $10/hr. Applicants should feel free to log the John Deere PIC time. Needless to say, they will have to pay for their John Deere PPC.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Now this made my day and yes, what a joke of a company... Ive never seen anything like it.