just heard from a friend in moncton that a 727 is off the end of one of the runways, happened early this morning so it's possibly cargojet or purolator.
100097 CYQM MONCTON/GREATER MONCTON INTL
CYQM RWY 06/24 CLSD DUE DISABLED ACFT
TIL 1003241300
Unless the flight was quite late, it should have actually touched down around 0300 Local time or 0600Z, at which time I believe the weather was worse if memory serves.
if memory serves me correctly there is a small decline of an angle of the threshold of 24 there as well. Wonder how far they went down the hill if that is the case, will take alot for power to getter out.
Doc wrote:unless Jazz was caught on the security cams at YYB?
Sorry doc, usually agree with ya, however nobody here other than the Jazz folk know what really happened. Now that I got all the info from our gnd school as this was the topic for our CRM, even our more expeirence crews are going, well this is a shitty deal and yeah it could have happened to me.
YYB? You mean doing an approach with a 30+ knot tailwind, keeping the plane clean to the FAF, not looking and doing the proper vs based on gs, then landing with no lead in or green lights with less then 1000 feet of runway? Ya that could happen to anyone.
US carriers flew thousands of flts in/out of LGA/DCA with shorter rwys and without incidents.
The problem with Cargojet may be a lack of T/O and Lndg and/or pilot fatigue.
The B727 is a great machine if flown properly.
US carriers flew thousands of flts in/out of LGA/DCA with shorter rwys and without incidents.
The problem with Cargojet may be a lack of T/O and Lndg and/or pilot fatigue.
The B727 is a great machine if flown properly.
Well when checking the Moncton runway used is shorter by about 1000' -- 6000' runway you can land at max landing weight 160,000 lbs but you need nose wheel breaking to do it without restrictions but even without nosewheel breaks you can still land close to that weight -
WX seems pretty good -- runway likely a little wet and if you miss the target by just a little on a 6000' runway it becomes very short very fast - no one knows that zero breaking feeling until you have been there. Most times it works out and your heart rate only spikes for a second -- sometimes it ends up like this and then all the 20/20 hindsight starts --
In many overrun mishaps investigators find that the Spoilers weren't armed or were armed during the landing roll. Could this have been the case here? 6000 feet should be sufficient for a B727 to land within declared distances I would think.
The weather as reported up the thread doesn't seem to be a problem.
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I'll guess sourcing the equipment will be the challenge. They'll have to lift the wing up with air bags high enough to get some steel plate under the gear, then the dozers can do their pull.
c170b53 wrote:I'll guess sourcing the equipment will be the challenge. They'll have to lift the wing up with air bags high enough to get some steel plate under the gear, then the dozers can do their pull.
It's not far from the hard surface. If the gear is down they'll just secure it then dig it out and drag it onto the pavement. Air bags are used if the gear isn't down. (As someone that's been there, done that for a 'French' airline - not YYZ)
