Beech 1900 Cargo Door light

[rigpiggy]

As a personal SOP I used to check the annunciators just before T/O. Needless to say it was frowned upon as Non-SOP. Wonder what they would say now. from the pics the Handle is clearly in the unlocked position. Our biggest problem was getting the light to go out, ie sticky switch.
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=429de2bb&opt=0

[thecaptain]

Whoever was "frowning" on that extra check simply because it wasn't SOP is a retard. Most pilots I know have a variety of "extra" things they check whether it be making sure gear is down and locked or annunciators are as they should be. Have to wonder on this one if they DID have issues with the sensor switch in the door, and simply "popped" the annunciator or ignored it all together. Very silly to have happen and at higher altitudes and airspeeds potentially deadly.

[turbo-prop]

The annunciator would have been illuminated, all you would have had to do was a scan, unless the annunciator wasn't working. Its on the glairshield in front of both pilots.

[rigpiggy]

My personal SOP of checking the ann panel is also to confirm all lights are working

from one of the posters on avherald.

The BE1900D does have a Cargo Door Open Warning Light. However the Warning Light Annunciator Panel is very poorly designed and the annunciators can easily vibrate out of the socket. When i flew 1900s, our airline had a procedure just prior to takeoff to push the "Press To Test" annunciator button to light up all the warning and caution lights to make sure they illuminated. I have flown many different types of aircraft and am glad I no longer fly the 1900. IMHO, it is a cheap and poorly designed aircraft. The annunciator panel is just one of its many poorly planned systems

[Maynard]

You've obviously never flown a Metro

[ei ei owe]

What's wrong with a Metro?

[rigpiggy]

didn't get typed but i flew the tube

[200hr Wonder]

The ClickClacks are shit. There are six if I recall in the cargo door. Anyone one of them malfunctioning will cause the cargo door light to illuminate, of course all six are not required for flight so it is fairly easy to fly with the light on legally. Of course the door mechanism was bizarre. You had to go over center before returning the handle to the locked flush mount detente. The end result being that the cargo door open light was often open AND it was not on the annunciator on the 2 it was on the floor at the bottom of the capt's side divider which you can't see in flight, then again neither can the pax...

[BTD]

That must be the Metro II?

The Metro III/23, there is a cargo door annun and a test light for the click clacks in the back. The test light will also illuminate if the door is unlatched. And no overcentre on the cargo door. Only the cabin door on the 23s.

However, with nearly 2000 hrs on the Metro's I can tell you that in certain ways it does feel like you are flying a paper machete aircraft the way things are just slapped in there.

Though it does an incredible job of making money for our operation. I just wish it had more power, more autopilot, more flight director, more glass, more stand up space, more washroom ................



BTD

[rigpiggy]

and less noise.

[ptc]

Hey folks, just thought I would chime in with some info regarding this incident (Beech door opening in flight)...the DDPG states that if the cargo door light is U/S as long as a visual inspection of the door is made and locking mechanisms are engaged the flight can take place...
As of this moment an investigation is taking place but according to crew involved the visual inspection did happen..

While I was not personally involved I do work for the company in question

[Brantford Beech Boy]

That must be the Metro II?

The Metro III/23, there is a cargo door annun and a test light for the click clacks in the back. The test light will also illuminate if the door is unlatched. And no overcentre on the cargo door. Only the cabin door on the 23s.

However, with nearly 2000 hrs on the Metro's I can tell you that in certain ways it does feel like you are flying a paper machete aircraft the way things are just slapped in there.

Though it does an incredible job of making money for our operation. I just wish it had more power, more autopilot, more flight director, more glass, more stand up space, more washroom ................



BTD

So yer sayin the San Antonio Sewer Pipe is similar to a long knife made from paper? Looks dangerous but is dull?
I've heard many slanders against this type (guilty of creation and propagation ) but this is a new one......
(I know ya meant Mache BTD! )

As for the Hunny's cargo door, if ya do the visual inspection properly, check the indicators, check the handle etc there is no reason for it to come open in flight barring some major mechanical malfunction. (IMHO)

Cheers
BBB

[Caracrane]

when one of the 2 doors light illuminate, two things : Not closed properly or push button close to handle frozen in intsead of being fully out that makes the light comin'on. that`s all Eric

[BTD]

That must be the Metro II?

The Metro III/23, there is a cargo door annun and a test light for the click clacks in the back. The test light will also illuminate if the door is unlatched. And no overcentre on the cargo door. Only the cabin door on the 23s.

However, with nearly 2000 hrs on the Metro's I can tell you that in certain ways it does feel like you are flying a paper machete aircraft the way things are just slapped in there.

Though it does an incredible job of making money for our operation. I just wish it had more power, more autopilot, more flight director, more glass, more stand up space, more washroom ................



BTD

So yer sayin the San Antonio Sewer Pipe is similar to a long knife made from paper? Looks dangerous but is dull?
I've heard many slanders against this type (guilty of creation and propagation ) but this is a new one......
(I know ya meant Mache BTD! )

As for the Hunny's cargo door, if ya do the visual inspection properly, check the indicators, check the handle etc there is no reason for it to come open in flight barring some major mechanical malfunction. (IMHO)

Cheers
BBB

Oops I had it spelt right before spell check

However, if you aren't paying attention on approach at night it could be used to cut down shrubbery in the forest.

[co-joe]

You guys have it all backwards. You don't check the door on the ground, the proper SOP is to send the co-joe back to wiggle the handle as part of the cruise checks.

[Quick Disconnect]

You may have a had time finding this on CADORS.But we had imported the first 1900D into to Canada.Hint was a third sub of Canadian Airlines in northen ont. Anyways the a/c departed YMO Bang just after t/o rear cargo door opens(And it is a big DOOR ) ALL SORTS of lights flashing now.The bird returns Zero problem.Maint sent to have a peek.The only damage was to the top ventrel fin.NDT hinges ect ect in consultation with Beech as it was called at the time.Zero damage other than the ventral fin.We could not believe the door/aircraft could withstand that type of force.So to make a long story short flight crew swears before TO all idiot lights were off.Tough aircraft it suprised me and Beech.

[boeingboy]

The ClickClacks are shit. There are six if I recall in the cargo door. Anyone one of them malfunctioning will cause the cargo door light to illuminate, of course all six are not required for flight so it is fairly easy to fly with the light on legally. Of course the door mechanism was bizarre. You had to go over center before returning the handle to the locked flush mount detente. The end result being that the cargo door open light was often open AND it was not on the annunciator on the 2 it was on the floor at the bottom of the capt's side divider which you can't see in flight, then again neither can the pax...

Hmm.........there seems to be some mis information here.

Of course the light should be on if a click clack is not working.

And you can only fly unpressurized if 1 is not working as they xfer flight loads through the dor to the fuse.

The cargo and passenger doors both have annunciator lights on the panel as well as at the base of the door.

The click clacks actually work very well if they are maintained.