Autogyro scene in Canada

Big Pratt · Post by **Big Pratt** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:49 pm

Good TGIF to ya'all!

Are there any FTU's providing training & checkouts in autogyros?

Wanted to have some fun this summer.

BP

Flying Nutcracker · Post by **Flying Nutcracker** » Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:45 pm

Apparently not... Keep in mind that some of the "starch wing" members don't even know what you are talking about. But if it helps... I don't know of any in BC.

FN

La Mouette · Post by **La Mouette** » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:18 pm

Rive-sud de YQB

http://www.magnigyro-canada.com/_/Magni ... anada.html

Big Pratt · Post by **Big Pratt** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:12 am

Merci beaucoup!!

Exactly what I was looking for.
Will definitely get in touch with them!

BP

Gogona · Post by **Gogona** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:36 am

Search for David Sigier from QC on Facebook, he just got his FI rating with MTO Sport (much better aircraft, than Magni).

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:27 am

La Mouette wrote:Rive-sud de YQB

http://www.magnigyro-canada.com/_/Magni ... anada.html

Do these people also allow solo rental of autogyros to accumulate the required hours for the Autogyro Permit?

Ecco · Post by **Ecco** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:43 am

Check this out at 26sec...very nice little machine..
What?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO099D_D ... re=related

Go Juice · Post by **Go Juice** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:01 pm

Beefitarian · Post by **Beefitarian** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:13 pm

Ecco wrote:Check this out at 26sec...very nice little machine..
What?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO099D_D ... re=related

Am I the only one who's wondering how on earth everyone involved thought that location was the best choice? Those high tension wires to his right don't look like a possible hazard?

Is there a reason gyrocopters are allways two blade?

Ecco · Post by **Ecco** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:44 pm

Nope your not the only one...
Two blade..two reasons..
#1 to mess up the scalf if it's strike.
#2 to finish the job.

Beefitarian · Post by **Beefitarian** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:03 pm

Were you going for "scalp" there?

I know why you can't have one blade. What about three or four? I would think three would be best but may not provide the right amount of drag to keep it in motion around the axis. Anyone know?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:30 pm

A gimble head rotor system works best with two blades.

Beefitarian · Post by **Beefitarian** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:44 pm

I'm thinking it must or you would see at least a few 3 blades out there. Any idea why?

How are you doing these days Cat?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:08 pm

I'm thinking it must or you would see at least a few 3 blades out there. Any idea why?

The gimble head rotor system uses the flapping movement to change rotor blade angle of attack as it rotates.

It is a very simple device and is quite effective.

The gyroplane is the most manouravable flying machine you can find, however it has some real serious limits that you must not exceed the most common cause of fatal accidents are due to power pushover bunts in machines with a high thrustline.

How are you doing these days Cat?

As time passes I am gradually seeing some hope of someday learning to accept what happened. I have some days that are very difficult as it is only four and a half months since she passed away. However, slowly the anguish is diminishing.

Jungle Jim · Post by **Jungle Jim** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:02 pm

Guys,

I have been looking at these machines and I think it is better to go to the states and get your hours there. I was quoted $240.00/hour at the Quebec outfit. Seems steep to me considering the engine is a 912 Rotax and the cost of the airframe is about the same as a nice ultralight.

Jim

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:43 pm

I won't comment on the amount the Quebec company charges, however of all the licenses I hold the gyroplane license was the most difficult to obtain, mostly due to the difficulty in finding a good training facility.

RenegadeAV8R · Post by **RenegadeAV8R** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:00 pm

Cat Driver wrote: The gyroplane is the most maneuverable flying machine you can find, however it has some real serious limits that you must not exceed the most common cause of fatal accidents are due to power pushover bunts in machines with a high thrustline.

Is the tractor type gyroplane a "better" design?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:20 pm

Is the tractor type gyroplane a "better" design?

The short answer is stability wise yes.

Gogona · Post by **Gogona** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:30 pm

Beefitarian wrote:Were you going for "scalp" there?
I would think three would be best but may not provide the right amount of drag to keep it in motion around the axis. Anyone know?

The more complicated rotor system becomes more expensive and difficult in its maintenance, but aerodynamically not that effective in the same time. So it makes no sense.

Gogona · Post by **Gogona** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:32 pm

Cat Driver wrote:the gyroplane license was the most difficult to obtain, mostly due to the difficulty in finding a good training facility.

So, where have you obtained it eventually?

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:35 pm

I have the same question as Gogona. There are a handful of places in the United States that provide gyro training but none that I know of will allow the solo rental of their machines to be able to meet the requirements for the Canadian Gyroplane Permit. A few exist in the UK where this might be possible, and another one in Costa Rica.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:10 am

So, where have you obtained it eventually?

I eventually went to Scapoose Oregon to Sportcopter and finished it on a McCulloch J-2 and finished with a FAA Commercial Gyroplane Pilot License.

The written was the toughest part.

Gogona · Post by **Gogona** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:47 am

Cat Driver wrote:I eventually went to Scapoose Oregon to Sportcopter and finished it on a McCulloch J-2 and finished with a FAA Commercial Gyroplane Pilot License.
The written was the toughest part.

CPL? That's very interesting

Did you ever have a chance to use it in Canada? (I mean as a commercial)

Why written was the toughest part?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:57 am

CPL? That's very interesting Did you ever have a chance to use it in Canada? (I mean as a commercial)

No I never got to use it to make money because T.C. would not issue me a FTU-OC, in fact T.C. eventually blacklisted me for any type of flight training in the Peoples Socialistic Republic of Canada..

Why written was the toughest part?

Because there was so little information available that related specifically to gyroplanes and the FAA designed a written that asked questions that were difficult to answer, remember a written exam designed by a government bureaucrat does not have to contain any logic in its structure.

Gogona · Post by **Gogona** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:59 pm

Thank you very much, Cat Driver!

May I PM you some further questions if I'll have them later?

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