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AWE SPRINGTIME , the time to clean house clear the stale air show private 703 enterprize that we tc are there to dominate you instead of serve you.

list of companies oc's pulled by tc or threatened this last 6months in .. feel free to add to the list and if ya happen to know the poi' swing the axe let fly too. see if there is a corrorlation to the same poi 's to the companies affected.


1/courtesy air
2/morgan air
3 nor alta ( threatened )


add away. :prayer: :prayer:
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Its not TC per say...its CTA pullling the license for the OC's...if said company is not paying security fees to CTA or not having proper paper work for sub charter between companies or even not displaying tariffs and such in the office could be violation and have the license pulled for 30 days...... just google Canadian Transportion Agency for the website.....and its not just Alberta either....victoria flying club got nailed too....
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to my knowledge, courtesy air did not get shut down.... say again... did not get shut down...

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Under that last DG, nobody did inspections. With the new DG, inspections on again. They must be finding lots of crap that wasn't being done due to the lack of inspections. That last guy was trying to get TC out of being TC - looks like they're back.
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Well I had to......so I would strongly suggest that all certificate holders review the following link to a TC document, it is how we are doing business if you want to call it that, Here is the link and if it does not work let me know and I will try something else. http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/manag ... ur-001.htm

We refer it to as SI-001 issue 3...(SI = Staff Instruction)

Yes we have not been out in a while but the above document is what we speak about when we visit you for an assessment, PVI or a PI. It tells the certificate holder exactly what we will do prior to and when we get on site. If you call threatening a certificate holder by telling them TC may issue a Notice of Suspension (NoS) if you do not do a proper Corrective Action Plan (yes the SI mentiones this) and depending on the severity of the findings a NoS maybe issued.

So a real big HINT for all you certificate holders, open up your ops manual (blow the dust off them) and if the pages/amendment No. refers to a date of around 1996 I would strongly suggest that you review those pages and compare it to the CARs/CASS as things have changed. Also if your manual indicates lets say "the company has Search and Rescue procedures" ask where are they as we will.

Now I am not saying an NoS will be issued for an ops manual amendment but if you read the SI it will provide some details on many issues.
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Jeepers .... according to some posters, looks like you can't stay in business by following the regs, and according to some other posters, you can't stay in business by not following the regs.

What a conundrum.

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National lost thier's.....OFD got it back for them,only ones to make money from T.C will be ex-tyransport employees.Just wrong.Then to have Sask goverment write there contract to fit OFD is soooo wrong
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You have got to understand that CTA & TCCA are two different entities. CTA are not part of Transport Canada! I don't know who is responsible for the suspensions, but the first question to ask is where the suspension originated.

The link to the SI works. Struggling thru that on a Sunday morning reminds me why I retired!
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Quote: "OFD got it back for them"

What is OFD? A Google search did not identify it.

On another thread Missionair of Winnipeg was mentioned. Fast Air also was involved in late 2008.

Air Mikisew operated the medevac King Air based in Fort McMurray on behalf of Alberta Health & Wellness so that means the Alberta Air Ambulance based there has been grounded.
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What is OFD?
"On-wards-&-upwards Flying Development"

They're a group of consultants.

If you fail an audit, you just get someone from OFD to iron it all out for you.

They don't come cheap but the service is great.

Use 'em all the time.

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The Old Fogducker wrote:Jeepers .... according to some posters, looks like you can't stay in business by following the regs, and according to some other posters, you can't stay in business by not following the regs.

What a conundrum.

OFD
Isn't that how aviation works? One way or another you're going out of buisiness it is only a matter of how long can you hold off the creditors or in this case Transport? :smt040
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Reminds me of Donald Trumps joke towards Sir Richard Branson....

Q: Whats the quickest way to become a millionaire?


A: You start as a billionaire and open up an airline.
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Surveillance Procedures
2010-02-08 9 of 66 SI SUR-001 Issue 03
3.0 BACKGROUND
(1) The introduction of Safety Management Systems (SMS) for the aviation industry is fundamentally changing the way Transport Canada (TC) approaches its surveillance responsibilities. Traditional surveillance methods including audits and inspections will be replaced with assessments, program validation inspections (PVIs) and process inspections as the primary surveillance tools, supplemented by audits when necessary.
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Keep reading and it will try and explain how it applies to non SMS certificate holders when you get to the PVI and PI procedures.
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Had any of these companies finalized their SMS systems? Completed all 4 phases?
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How long can these companies last with no cash flow before they fold up for good? I am assuming and hoping that most of them will be able to sort out the problems and soon start operating again.

Have any employees at the victim companies lost their jobs yet because of this?

'48 thanks for the explanation regarding OFD.
So in Canada it is now necessary to use "Fixers" in industries such as aviation in order to conduct normal business operations! I was very used to the need for fixers during the times when I was living and working in Africa. I remember well such phrases as: "We have a problem," "Your papers do not seem to be in order/complete," "There is one more requirement," "There is an additional fee to pay for (insert fictitious requirement) first," etc. It was normal to need a fixer to cross borders, obtain permits and licences, issue documents, process inspections, etc. Fixers would be waiting outside such offices ready to offer their help.
You are right, in the long run fixers don't come cheap. Corruption increases the cost of doing business and the prices all citizens have to pay. Although the actual fee for the fixer might not be large it has to be added to any legitimate fee for the government plus the bribe to induce the official to do his job. However, it is quicker and cheaper to use them than to try to deal directly with corrupt officials. It is no good trying to butt heads with the system and insist on (rapidly vanishing) Western standards and ethics. That just results in entry refusal, arrest or work/residence permit being withdrawn. The corrupt officials in different departments all work together and support each other. Interested readers can see some fixers in the television series and DVD "Long Way Down" by Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman.
It's sad that Canada has sunk so low but at least we do not yet have to pay bribes at half a dozen police road blocks on the highways between Nanaimo and Duncan or Winnipeg and Steinbach.
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I went through a PVI in March no problem, they wanted one of the forms we use changed up a bit and that was it, from a week long audit. But hey we were compliant..
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Can you give us insight into what they were looking for?
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lazyboy wrote:Can you give us insight into what they were looking for?
Don't be lazy, Lazyboy ... the checklists in the link provided by A Regulator tell you exactly what they are looking for, and the method they use to determine your score.

One aspect of the scoring system is whether you are able to perform a self-audit to discover where the company may be falling below the required standard.
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