'Various' Russian Navy planes burn in fire . . .

[robbreid]

Moscow area forest fire burned right through Russian Navy base for aircraft, at the Central Aerotechnical Base (CAB) of the Russian Navy Air Force and Air Defense is located on the outskirts of the town of Kolomna (Shurovo District in Moscow Region). Reports say up to 200 aircraft have been destroyed.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content ... 2344.shtml

[GoinNowhereFast]

Would it not make sense to move the airplanes?

[robbreid]

Reporter states, 20 planes and helicopters?? Fire burned through the base in 10 minutes.

http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-08-03/fires ... craft.html

[SmokinJoe]

Ring Ring: Thank you for calling State Farm, Ingrid speaking.

Hello Ingrid, Geleral Boris here, uh... we have a problem......

[BibleMonkey]

Story in the first link says
" ...He said nothing about 200 jets and helicopters and $ 670 million damage, but pointed out that the HQ, a financial unit, a club, two buildings of the car park, 13 storage facilities with different aircraft, 17 open storage areas for equipment with cars on them, were burnt down...."

So maybe they didn't lose full aircraft-just parts?

100 hectares burnt, according to the story =1 square kilometer

If this is the base
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=55.0767949&lo ... 12&l=0&m=b
one square kilometer isn't all of it
and there's no runway there -parts storage/fixing only ?
dunno. It's the Russians-we'll probably never know what they lost.

As long as the Ivans re-group , fall back to defend their nuke facilities from the fires-like Sarov to the east of the burnt above mentioned facility .

Hope the crazy Ivans have a fire break bulldozed around it!

[Panama Jack]

Financial problems; the Russian military is just a shadow of its former self. They probably couldn't afford the fuel to fly out all the aircraft.

[Shiny Side Up]

I doubt most of the airplanes were airworthy to be flown at the time. Given the description of the base's function it sounds like it would be the equivelent of the AMARG facilities in the U.S.

[Gogona]

Financial problems; the Russian military is just a shadow of its former self. They probably couldn't afford the fuel to fly out all the aircraft.

Are you serious?

[Changes in Latitudes]

I've actually claimed 5 of them as kills. You can call me ACE.

[Hawkerflyer]

The crew was busy probing Canadian airspace that day.

[snowshoe]

having read the attached news info and learning there was no loss of life, I can honestly say with a conscience absolutely clear of any guilt for say "better there than here".

the article to me sounds like a report on a classic junk yard fire.

[akoch]

guys, I would only say be a bit more critical about the sources you get the info from.... At least cross-reference it

[robbreid]

Actually it was cross-referenced, from BBC to Reuters - being that it took 3 days for the Russian Military to admit there had even been a fire on the base, kinda hard to confirm things.

Update to the story, is the base itself used to be the Mig factory, and many of the aircraft where museum pieces, however there were also some very high end military hardware, from SU-33 engines to ????, world press are questioning any nuclear equipment.

'Regarding the Navy’s senior command: Navy Commander in Chief Admiral [Vladimir] Vysotsky is reprimanded for incompetence; Naval Chief of Staff and First Deputy Commander in Chief [Alexander] Tatarinov is reprimanded for incompetence; Deputy Chief of Naval Logistics and Support [Sergei] Sergeyev is dismissed; Chief of Naval Aviation [Nikolai] Kuklev is dismissed; Deputy Chief of Naval Aviation Colonel [Sergei] Rasskazov is dismissed; Acting Deputy Chief of Naval Aviation Logistics and Support [Mikhail] Monakov is dismissed; the commander of base 2512 is dismissed.'

Very serious consequences.

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[akoch]

Correct. What you see on the pictures is not a military base, but a suburb of Moscow old airport used to store the (would be) museum pieces. The aircraft hardware all the way from WW2 and on, abandoned/parted out/waiting for restoration. Also what you see is not a forest fire (there is no forest there), but grass burning so far with no consequences to aircraft.

The military base in question did burn down, due to the real forest fires and you can find pictures of it as well. Lot's of old hardware like trucks, stored in conservation truck diesel engines, barracks etc. No aircraft involved.

It is amazing how a wide-aperture picture taken out of context can be taken up by the mass media Nevertheless, the fire issues are more than serious there, due to the density of population. Imagine the BC/Kelowna fires of recent in a city of 30+ million.

Nevertheless, this is the first site reference in the original post that caught my attention. Take it for what it is worth, but you are never going to get any credible information there. Rusophobic - yes, if this is what one is looking for.

[BibleMonkey]

.....As long as the Ivans re-group , fall back to defend their nuke facilities from the fires-like Sarov to the east of the burnt above mentioned facility .

Hope the crazy Ivans have a fire break bulldozed around it!

Oh oh

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100806/ts_ ... NkaXZlcnQ-

"Planes diverted and offices close as smoke chokes Moscow

....The government has warned that the fires could pose a nuclear threat by releasing radioactive particles buried in trees and plants by the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster.

A senior Emergencies Ministry official, Vladimir Stepankov, said the most difficult fire situations were in the regions ringing Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod, including the closed town of Sarov, home to a nuclear arms facility. ....."

*scaremonger/scaremonger/scaremonger*

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/4 ... 464map.gif

Poor bastards. She's burning pretty hard. I hope they moved the nukes. I wonder if they'd pop off, or just fizzle. Probably just fizzle even in a really hot fire-just a conventional ( albeit contaminated ) explosion.

Not that it's really likely.....

Half of all U.S nuclear plant fuel is from downblended Russian nuke weapons -kind of a slow boat to China getting rid of all the nukes by stoking civilian plants with downblended uranium.

[robbreid]

I've finally got it sorted out!!!

The Naval Storage base that burned, was just storage, their is another facility 11 km away that houses the current production of Migs, Google maps Click Here Tretyakovo Airport.

The Reuters photo that was included with the original story of 200 plus aircraft destroyed, is actually a photo taken at Khodynka Field, Moscow, which is a former National Air and Space Museum in Moscow, however it is now closed and the aircraft are abandoned.

Slide Show of derelict aircraft (Museum piece's?) at Khodynka Field. More Flickr photos.

Google map of Khodynka Field Click Here. this is the line of Migs that appeared in Reuters photo.

The Navy Base, Click Here for map is at the center of the map. It is multiple buildings and vehicle storage, but zero aircraft are visible of any kind.

Click Here for the history of Lukhovitsy Aviation Production and Test Complex (LAPIK) (Russian Navy Base destroyed by fire).

Alright, time for A Taste of Danforth (a Toronto thing!)

[akoch]

Now you got it right.

Alas, a far cry from the kavkazcenter "stories". As always.

[The Old Fogducker]

Think of the time and money that forest fire saved us in the western world from fightin' them "Rooskies."

Now Slim Pickens can stay in the Captain's seat of that BUFF instead of riding the bomb onto the target.

http://www.kestrelsnest.net/fnm/drstrangelove.html

Survival Equipment checklist ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5qqfsQGYus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ynY5NvYsZY

I can't wait til they start releasing B-52s from Davis Monthan and convert them to initial attack retardant machines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgHSDa2Jwqc

[akoch]

Loved the file comment

[Darkwing Duck]

Don't be fooled. The Russkies have thousands of tanks, trucks, artillery, aircraft, helicopters, etc in "warm" storage for an event of war. They 1st put in the good stuff, when that gets destroyed they take the last generation to be "retired", use that up, then down the list. They have stuff stored from WWII to be used should a conflict continue that long.

Got it from the internet, so it must be true.

[akoch]

LOL

A simple thing might be considered - just dial down the propaganda machine, leave them be and don't poke at them.... They'd be really grateful, trust me on this one. You'd be amazed on how different is and has been level of hostility on their side vs this side.