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Spectrum Airways in Burlngton

#1 Post by CanFlyBoy » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:39 pm

Has anyone heard if this is a good spot to get your Instructor rating done?
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#2 Post by mculshaw » Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:16 am

they do have a large number of instructors on staff, so you may have better odds of getting on with them when you are finished.

The ultimate question when looking for a place to do an instructor rating - "will you hire me when i'm finished?"
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#3 Post by CanFlyBoy » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:41 pm

Wouldn't you have to prove you would be a good instructor anyway before they hire you?
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#4 Post by mcrit » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:36 pm

To the best of my knowledge they only have one class one on staff right now, but she's OK. In terms of hiring you, I know of a few people that trained there and did not get hired, but I can say that about most schools. PM me if you're looking for more info, or .... :lol: if you want to do an instructor rating!
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#5 Post by PA31 Driver » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:10 pm

Thier a pretty good school and the CFI is not just ok, but great. A very nice person and friend......
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#6 Post by flyincanuck » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:12 am

No mult-time instruction until you reach Class 2 I believe...
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#7 Post by multiprop » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:31 am

Well it is very tough to get on. Unfortunately the school staff is a clique from the people I have talked too. There are instructors I know that have been trying to get on for years to no avail. The CFI and the owner say talk to the other person, yet when you apporach them niether one wants to take on the responsibility of acutally telling you that you never have a chance in hell of getting hired. I was also talk to one businessman from Toronto that was toying around with the idea of buying Spectrum and the airfield. Big bucks I told him. His response was a penny in the bucket for him. Which in reality means that if he were to buy the school...we are talking new aircraft and an overall better organization.
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#8 Post by CanFlyBoy » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:06 am

Is there a reason why it is so hard to get a job Instructing at Spectrum?
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#9 Post by mcrit » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:12 pm

I'll give credit where credit is due here. Spectrum tends to only hire when they really need someone. This makes things a bit better for the people that they do hire in that most people that work there are busy. Contrast this to one of the established schools at the Island were they tend to hire everyone that did a rating; most of their instructors spend a good deal of time on the couch because the student base is spread between too many people. Talk with the CFI before you make a commitment. (note that I said the CFI, not the owner)
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#10 Post by PA31 Driver » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:09 pm

mcrit wrote:. (note that I said the CFI, not the owner)
Yes I agree............................talk to her....
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#11 Post by multiprop » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:20 am

Well, I know that other guys and myself have talked to the CFI and no go. First it was we are looking for a Class 3. That was when I had my Class 4 rating, then when I received the Class 3 rating it was we require a Class 2 rating. The CFI even told me that if I were to bring in my own students then they could put me on board. When I called her and told her that I had 3 students plus another student willing to do their Multi/IFR she told me that they could not help me. Why a school would turn away business is beyond anyone's comprehension??? The story constantly changes and one really does not know what they want/are looking for.
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#12 Post by Tango01 » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:04 am

That CFI sounds like a beeeeach.
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#13 Post by PA31 Driver » Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:47 pm

Tango01 wrote:That CFI sounds like a beeeeach.

No she's not...............your just being a dick !
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#14 Post by mcrit » Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:59 pm

multiprop:
Don't take this personally, but I think she just didn't like you. :lol:
(no disrespect intended buddy!) Don't worry, you were most likely better off not working there.

Tango:
That was harsh, but there are others that may agree with you. (Talk to the flying Dutchman at YTZ)

PA31:
Not everyone that works there has had the .... opportunities for advancement that you have, hence a variety of opinions.
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#15 Post by multiprop » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:42 am

It seems that she does have her favorites. One example, Called the CFI and had a very nice conversation with her. She told me to drop by, submit my resume and we could have a chat. When I show up she tells me that they have already hired and are not looking for anymore instructors. All this happened in the course of 1 day! Who do they hire, the ex-CFI of WWFC. In my opinion, this individual should not be instructing. His professionalism is questionable. I have had numerous discussions with many, many people about this CFI and there is one consensus - he never looks at you when he speaks to you! It give you the impression that he has something to hide and is never tells the truth!
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#16 Post by Tango01 » Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:37 am

I rest my case multi. Why would she tell you to go see her, if she already hired somebody else???

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#17 Post by Nvrgvup » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:51 pm

Multi - the ex CFI at the WWFC has more professionalism than anyone in aviation that I know. He has integrity, which in this industry rarely exists. You may think you know why he is not working at the WWFC anymore but I think we have all found out that the flight centre has several skeletons in it's closet so lets not speculate. At the end of the day, he protected his instructors and gave them a fair chance to earn a living by only hiring at number of instructors that was needed.....something the new CFI is not doing. It is a shame, it really is that this philosophy of hiring as many instructors as you can, regardless of ability, exists....its only a matter of time until this practice bites you in the ass and there is a serious accident......and then we will chat again about professionalism and CFI's.....as for his quirk about not looking at you when he speaks, well, you got me there, he does do that but really, grow up.....
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#18 Post by . . » Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:32 pm

old profit moffat loves to do instructor ratings like regency loves to do PPC's.
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#19 Post by Tango01 » Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:32 am

Go Regency Go!!!
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#20 Post by multiprop » Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:01 am

Hey Nvrgvup, just take a sec here. I worked with this guy and let me tell you he might have given his instructors assistance and worked with them. He might have also treated them professionally, but let me tell you from personal expereice, when the S^%T hits the fan he runs the other way. I would never let you say your two cents. This has nothing to do with hiring too many instructors or letting them earn a living. I am all for that. This has to do with the fact that the individual is not honest and lies through his teeth. I personally feel that what comes around goes around and he has started getting his. An individual in that position cannot continue taking only one side of the coin. Eventually its comes back to haunt you and it has for him. As for the last point of eye-contact - in this age you must make eye contact with an individual. Let me tell you from personal experience - and this is coming from the business side of aviation and the upper crust of the hiring boards of the airline industry - no eye contact = what do you have to hide. Always be professional!
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#21 Post by meow » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:30 pm

[quote="Nvrgvup"]Multi - the ex CFI at the WWFC has more professionalism than anyone in aviation that I know. . [quote]

I agree..... It seems like multi prop guy is a bitchy person and complains alot... may be that's why he didn't get hired .... don't you think?
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#22 Post by meow » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:35 pm

endless wrote:old profit moffat .
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#23 Post by Nvrgvup » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:21 am

I don't want to get into a big thing here, but I have to defend my friend. Yes, I considered (and still do) the ex-cfi a friend......let me give you an example of what he was about......during aviation day, one of the instructors was doing sight-seeing flights all day and that "questionable CFI" made arrangements for that instructors boyfriend to propose to her over the radio's, (eh, meow;))....think something like that would happen now? not only is he professional, he actually cared about the instructors, even asked how his employees were doing (on a social basis) every so often. Everyone has their own opinion, and thankgod for that, but when I heard the way this person acted after the way he was treated by the board of directors, it is impossible to say he was unprofessioal in any way.....in fact, you tell me who is unprofessional....I heard the instructors are not allowed to use him for flight tests even though he is a DFTE and there is a severe shortage of them????? But i am interested in what he did to you Multi - sounds like he turned you down for a job...like most other places it seems, guess they're all unprofessional too....
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with friends like this...

#24 Post by helmetfire » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:39 pm

Nvrgvup,
Maybe WWFC was/is your first job, so I'll give you some latitude.
The ex-CFI was not professional. The only thing he liked was the sound of his own voice. What a great pontificator. Never ending 2 hour meetings on a Saturday morning. (isn't this supposed to be a busy time?)
His word meant nothing.
He only told you what you wanted to hear.
His actions were always self serving.
You might want to do some research as to why he was fired. Yes fired, not a difference of idealology as he might have let you believe. The Board was just and more than reasonable. The only reason that he outlived the former manager was because they needed time to replace him.
This industry is too small and people have long memories. Isn't karma great.
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#25 Post by Nvrgvup » Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:52 pm

helmet fire.....don't work there, never have but I suspect you did (or are close to someone that has)

I have just one thing to say.....if an instructor takes off with a student and runs out of fuel.....that instructor should be fired, to save other students lives...it's harsh but at the end of the day, they should be fired...keeping them on is unprofessional and unsafe....is this what is driving your hated of this person?

the 2 hour meeting is a good point, but...did you get paid for it? I don't believe they do anymore...but meetings are necessary, to ensure safety and so we can all learn from each other, hopefully avoid running out of fuel etc.....;)
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