Q400 question

[thrust set]

When are they suppose to arrive at Jazz? I understand Jazz placed an order for 15 with an option of 15 more.

Word on the street is Air Canada is asking ACPA for a let in their contract to approach other companies for tier 2 feed.

Fact or fiction ?

[PC12flyer]

Q400 at last check should start arriving in May of 2011. Have not heard anything about the additional tier 2 rumour!

[ng78]

It seems as though Air Canada is shopping around for operation of the Q400's. There might be some developments in the next few days/weeks, or perhaps it will be status quo.

[PC12flyer]

I'll be standing by then for an official update. However it was my understanding that to get Jazz to agree to the CPA haircut we took in 2009 that fleet renewal was part of the deal, aka the Q400's. However as with everything in aviation it is subject to change without notice. I hope it's not true, but I can understand the business end of it for Air Canada. I wish them the best, hopefully their future plans still include a lot of flying for Jazz.

[Plim Sole]

Jazz owns the Q400. AC can't give them away!!!
We get the 1st one in May.
We have a contract with AC until 2020 with certain guarantees. If AC has more flying they want done they are not obliged to give it to Jazz as far as I know.

Everyone calm down!

[ACAV8R]

Plim Sole,
Stby for new ATIS msg.
We have a vote coming up that addresses another Tier2 CPA and speculation is Q400s out of the Island. We should know more within a week. Our MEC is meeting in YWG today trying to come up with a positive spin to make us all vote in favour of the diversification.
Always something eh!

[Plim Sole]

Sounds interesting!
So a seperate CPA, possibly with Jazz Q400?
Either way Jazz owns its Q400 so its not up to AC who uses them (unless Jazz agrees to it and leases them to another company!!)

[spaz]

I doubt AC wants to own Q400's Jazz can do whatever they want with theirs. IF there is another CPA perhaps that company will have their own Q400's.

[ng78]

Does Jazz actually own the Q400's or is Air Canada paying for them? I honestly don't know, but I hear different info from different sources.

[PC12flyer]

According to an investor confrence call in Q1/2010, Jazz paid the delivery fee's for the Q400's in Q1 this year with its own money. I was also told at a meet the chief's groundschool Q&A that Jazz would control the paper of the Q400's. Therefore I'd say we will outright own them. With this new info coming to light I'd say Jazz will keep our Q400's and someone else will go and buy their own or lease their own metal and operate out of the island. I would say the Jazz Q400's will be an RJ replacement order rather than Jazz developing the island business as many had initially thought. Ah well, standing by for the new info, but I can't say I'm shocked that AC wants diversified feed because Jazz is expensive.

[hithere]

I would bet the new player is Continental Express(Colgan or the like).
AC and Continental were both awarded less slots at the island than they had hoped, however if they combined the slots they would have enough to give Porter a run. Since AC and Continental are both part of the Star Alliance it would make sense. Colgan already has 400s but would only be able to operate the flights from the island to the states because of current cabotage rules. Jazz would therefore use its slots for the domestic triangle stuff. My only question is why AC needs another CPA because they could just do the Continental deal as a Star Alliance codeshare. Wait- I have another question- why the hell doesn't jazz management put out a memo(saying its subject to ACPA ratification or something) about this so it's employees don't start getting freaked out about this new CPA? Or maybe ALPA could put a memo out...

[jazzbeat]

Jazz was setup to fill the ACE shareholders pocket.

Now that it's done you can be sure that everytime they get a chance they will use a cheaper company for the same service
( like in the USA)

Only the blind man doesn't see this coming. AC is now operating for it's own shareholders, its not a charity fund to help Jazz employees have a better life...

[teacher]

Yup, Jazz is expensive lets all take more pay cuts in the race to the bottom so we can all "have a better life".

[BLZD1]

I do not think people are saying the pilots at Jazz make to much. They are saying to much money is going out through Jazz's door to the shareholders-!! That is what needs to be fixed. It is what making Jazz not competitive. Alpa needs to address that huge issue.

[teacher]

Agreed 100%

[Localizer]

The info I got from a management type said this whole up and roll is really for nothing. This pertains to the island flying and only the US destinations out of the island. AC wanted more slots then they received and thus are making a play to get the additional slots off Continental. It really doesn't affect the Jazz CPA or put any of it in jeopardy. The 30 slots AC was awarded will be operated by Jazz, the only thing in question are the Continental slots.

The Q400's are a Jazz purchase ... all 15 plus the additional 15 options are all owned by Jazz. All AC can do with the Q400 is tell Jazz what routes to use them on.

[ng78]

There is something going on beyond the Jazz Q400's and Continental at the island. Whether it actually goes through or not remains to be seen, but we should know this week. I do expect a new CPA partner operating Q400's to be announced though.

[~Hollywood~]

Alright, this is not confirmed by any means just more rumors, but these sources have been pretty good in the past. As of February 1st, 2011, Air Canada will be operating 5 Q400's out of YTZ, and will not be operated by Jazz. Apparently Voyageur has been awarded the contract, a few other operators were in the mix for the contract such as Air Georgian, but lost it with no 705 certificate. Like I said this is not confirmed, but heard from two different and fairly reliable sources. I'm guessing there will probably be an announcement fairly soon regarding this new CPA carrier, if in fact it's not VAL.

[Mclovin]

So now we have AC operating out of the island now using jazz, continental, and now VAL according to this thread? Something doesn't add up here, mainline using three different operators out of one small airport?

Has VAL even put an order in for Q400s? And if so would they be ready to go for February?

[ng78]

Alright, this is not confirmed by any means just more rumors, but these sources have been pretty good in the past. As of February 1st, 2011, Air Canada will be operating 5 Q400's out of YTZ, and will not be operated by Jazz. Apparently Voyageur has been awarded the contract, a few other operators were in the mix for the contract such as Air Georgian, but lost it with no 705 certificate. Like I said this is not confirmed, but heard from two different and fairly reliable sources. I'm guessing there will probably be an announcement fairly soon regarding this new CPA carrier, if in fact it's not VAL.

I can confirm the same info as above, however not with Voyageur, but with another group. Let's also be clear, if AC works with Colgan/Continental, it won't be a CPA deal, but rather a code share, which is different. Also, Continental do need to consider some factors and training required to operate into the island. This is not a knock on their operation, but they do not operate to my knowledge into any airport as tricky as CYTZ, with certain performance considerations that need to be taken into account.

Either way this will be very interesting, and frankly will be more detrimental to Porter than to Jazz IMHO.

[Localizer]

This is hilarious ... I think its pretty clear that nobody really knows squat!

Only time will tell and that's the only for sure thing in this whole thread.

LOL!

[ng78]

This is hilarious ... I think its pretty clear that nobody really knows squat!

Only time will tell and that's the only for sure thing in this whole thread.

LOL!

No, it's clear that you're the one who knows squat There's too much specific information from a wide variety of sources that indicates something's going on. I think we'll know this week, so sit back and relax

[habs]

Localizer: +1

Ng78: "specific information" that "something's going on" ? That's as specifically vague as anyone can get.

[ng78]

Localizer: +1

Ng78: "specific information" that "something's going on" ? That's as specifically vague as anyone can get.

Reading Comprehension: +1

Habs: 0

There's more to say that I'd rather not provide on here until a press release is out.

[winston]

Here's hoping the press release somehow equates to some groundschools and this F'd up industry gets moving again.

I should have been a civil servant!!