As anyone heard about this? I Read this from another forum.
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TC is removing Meridian and other turbo props from POC requirements starting November 01/ 2010. Check in ICAO Annex 6, Part 2. The standards and recommendations are as follows and the listing below will require a POC : A/C w/ a maximum certified T/O mass exceding 5700Kg. Aeroplanes w/ one or more turbojet engine. A operation involving an A/C w/ a seating conf. of more than 9 px seats or, A corporate aviation operation involving three or more A/C that are operated by pilots employed for the purpose of flying the A/C.
Transport Removing turbine A/C below 5700 kgs from POC
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Re: Transport Removing turbine A/C below 5700 kgs from POC
So far, there is no indication on the TC website of any changes happening before next year:
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Re: Transport Removing turbine A/C below 5700 kgs from POC
POC Transition Update 3
On October 8, 2010, Sam Barone, President & CEO along with CBAA’s POC Transition Committee met with Transport Canada Civil Aviation Director General, Martin Eley and his team of senior managers at an information session for CBAA regarding the planned changes to the POC Program.
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POC Transition Update # 3
On October 8, 2010, Sam Barone, President & CEO along with CBAA’s POC Transition Committee met with Transport Canada Civil Aviation Director General, Martin Eley and his team of senior managers at an information session for CBAA regarding the planned changes to the POC Program. Based on the observations obtained through this information session, it is evident that CBAA’s repeated recommendations on how to best implement the new regulations have not been accepted.
Transport Canada repeated that, for those operators with a valid CBAA issued POC as of midnight on April 1, 2011, their certificate will continue to be valid with their current authorities during the defined transition period in the new regulations. Transport Canada advises that any operator whose POC is not valid will be required to re-certify under the new regulations and can expect significant delays.
The defined transition period will occur over the span of two years in which operators will be required to make changes to any new or different requirements as outlined by Transport Canada. This may include changes in their operator Safety Management Systems (SMS). Major changes in operation or aircraft type after April 1, 2011 will require transitioning to the new regulatory requirements at an earlier time.
There will be no requirement for CBAA audits after April 1, 2011. Transport Canada will provide oversight on a risk management basis through their Performance Validation Inspection (PVI) process.
Applicability for those operators requiring a POC will be slightly different and will reflect the standards and recommendation practices established by ICAO in Annex 6, Part 2, coming in to effect on November 1, 2010. These standards and recommendations are as follows:
- Aeroplanes with a maximum certificated take-off mass exceeding 5 700 kg;
- Aeroplanes equipped with one or more turbojet engines;
- An operation involving an aeroplane with a seating configuration of more than 9 passenger seats; or
- A corporate aviation operation involving three or more aircraft that are operated by pilots employed for the purpose of flying the aircraft.
Beyond 2011 and 2012, subject to the wording of the final rule, Transport Canada stated that holders of an AOC will not be required to obtain a POC for the use of the aircraft in private operations but will have an opportunity to obtain a separate POC if needed or desired for taxation, or cross-border issues purposes.
Operators will be required to have an SMS, operations manual, ground and flight training programs similar to the existing requirements, but will need to be amended to meet any differing requirements by the end of the two-year transition period.
Flight and Duty Time requirements will be different in that there will no longer be an opportunity to incorporate fatigue risk management and will be the same as the current prescriptive option.
A major area of concern is that pilot proficiency checks will be required by Transport Canada. Transport Canada advised that they will not conduct the check rides and it is up to the operator to identify, or an Approved Check Pilot (ACP). CBAA staff will continue to urge Transport Canada to adopt ways that minimize the impact of this requirement on operators.
Your CBAA President, Board of Directors and POC Transition Committee continue to have serious concerns that the Transport Canada plans for the new regulations will create severe reductions in levels of service, reduced efficiencies and added costs with no additional safety benefits. CBAA will continue to make representation at all levels, including to the Minister of Transport and his staff in order to reduce these damaging impacts on the business aviation community. The CBAA welcomes any comments and suggestions from our membership which will be presented to Transport Canada at future meetings.
Sam Barone
President & CEO
Canadian Business Aviation Association
www.cbaa-acaa.ca
On October 8, 2010, Sam Barone, President & CEO along with CBAA’s POC Transition Committee met with Transport Canada Civil Aviation Director General, Martin Eley and his team of senior managers at an information session for CBAA regarding the planned changes to the POC Program.
** Le texte français suit le texte anglais **
POC Transition Update # 3
On October 8, 2010, Sam Barone, President & CEO along with CBAA’s POC Transition Committee met with Transport Canada Civil Aviation Director General, Martin Eley and his team of senior managers at an information session for CBAA regarding the planned changes to the POC Program. Based on the observations obtained through this information session, it is evident that CBAA’s repeated recommendations on how to best implement the new regulations have not been accepted.
Transport Canada repeated that, for those operators with a valid CBAA issued POC as of midnight on April 1, 2011, their certificate will continue to be valid with their current authorities during the defined transition period in the new regulations. Transport Canada advises that any operator whose POC is not valid will be required to re-certify under the new regulations and can expect significant delays.
The defined transition period will occur over the span of two years in which operators will be required to make changes to any new or different requirements as outlined by Transport Canada. This may include changes in their operator Safety Management Systems (SMS). Major changes in operation or aircraft type after April 1, 2011 will require transitioning to the new regulatory requirements at an earlier time.
There will be no requirement for CBAA audits after April 1, 2011. Transport Canada will provide oversight on a risk management basis through their Performance Validation Inspection (PVI) process.
Applicability for those operators requiring a POC will be slightly different and will reflect the standards and recommendation practices established by ICAO in Annex 6, Part 2, coming in to effect on November 1, 2010. These standards and recommendations are as follows:
- Aeroplanes with a maximum certificated take-off mass exceeding 5 700 kg;
- Aeroplanes equipped with one or more turbojet engines;
- An operation involving an aeroplane with a seating configuration of more than 9 passenger seats; or
- A corporate aviation operation involving three or more aircraft that are operated by pilots employed for the purpose of flying the aircraft.
Beyond 2011 and 2012, subject to the wording of the final rule, Transport Canada stated that holders of an AOC will not be required to obtain a POC for the use of the aircraft in private operations but will have an opportunity to obtain a separate POC if needed or desired for taxation, or cross-border issues purposes.
Operators will be required to have an SMS, operations manual, ground and flight training programs similar to the existing requirements, but will need to be amended to meet any differing requirements by the end of the two-year transition period.
Flight and Duty Time requirements will be different in that there will no longer be an opportunity to incorporate fatigue risk management and will be the same as the current prescriptive option.
A major area of concern is that pilot proficiency checks will be required by Transport Canada. Transport Canada advised that they will not conduct the check rides and it is up to the operator to identify, or an Approved Check Pilot (ACP). CBAA staff will continue to urge Transport Canada to adopt ways that minimize the impact of this requirement on operators.
Your CBAA President, Board of Directors and POC Transition Committee continue to have serious concerns that the Transport Canada plans for the new regulations will create severe reductions in levels of service, reduced efficiencies and added costs with no additional safety benefits. CBAA will continue to make representation at all levels, including to the Minister of Transport and his staff in order to reduce these damaging impacts on the business aviation community. The CBAA welcomes any comments and suggestions from our membership which will be presented to Transport Canada at future meetings.
Sam Barone
President & CEO
Canadian Business Aviation Association
www.cbaa-acaa.ca
