1000 pic, 500 multi pic for f/o? Did they confuse their Be200 for an Airbus?
Good Luck in whitehorse.

Wow, what a great, insightful and helpful post about Alkan Air.

I've only ever heard great things about Alkan and great things about Whitehorse.
What's the problem?

These pointless threads that include nothing but complaining about job ads are getting tiring, maybe we could start a "Bitchfest" forum so we can recognize and avoid reading whiny drivel.

Great first post.

If I were 20 or 30 years younger, and know what I know now, I'd be on that job instantly.

My time spent living in Whitehorse and flying for Air North in its early days were some of the best times of my life, and I strongly encourage anyone considering this company and location .... give some serious consideration to picking up on the opportunity.

Alkan operate some nice equipment, and if they want to set the bar at the 1,000 PIC 500 multi level, then more power to them for wanting to maintain a high standard in the operation and hiring future Captains. They obviously care a lot more about their customers and equipment than in making a temporary home for some wayward, wandering gypsy low timer to build some quick turbine hours and head on home to his girl in Toronto to apply to Jazz, and live in mom's basement again.

Again ... don't have any compunction about Whitehorse ... well, I'll admit the dead of winter can be lets say .... "somewhat harsh," but the summers more than compensate.

The Old (wistful) Fogducker

Post like this are ignorant and annoying.
1000 hours pic with 500 multi pic is nothing! They should add northern/arctic/gravel experience an asset or even necessary.
Companies are not desperate for pilots these days and have the right to demand experience - especially in the north..
Whitehorse is an amazing place to live and be based. I hear this company is top notch.
Good luck finding an "Airbus" job with 1000 hours douche bag! Someone needs to be hit with a large dose of reality...

I completely agree with the post above!

I guess you forgot to read the last part of the post.

Job Description: Looking to hire 2 F/Os for the BE30/20. Preference will be given to those with 1900 plus hours, 500 multi PIC, 500 hours mountain time and a minimum of 1000 PIC to allow for potential Captain upgrade in the future.

This site has gotten absolutely asinine in the last few weeks; has anyone else noticed the increased frequency of "One Post Wonders"?

Also a word of advice, such as you flightsuite: Comprehension (i.e. redline7921's directed reference); use it to your advantage before making an ass of your anonymous self!

flightsuit

Avcanada has become IMO a pretty good site with most posters providing interesting and informative posts. Yours unfortunately does not fall into that catagory. Your second post is your oportunity to make a constructive contribution to this forum......don't waste the chance to show us you are not just another whiny wannabe......

flightsuite wrote:1000 pic, 500 multi pic for f/o? Did they confuse their Be200 for an Airbus?
Good Luck in whitehorse.

Recent graduate, are we? Have you been to Whitehorse? Have you ever left the city in which you currently reside?

Why am I replying to this?

Sounds like a 200 hour wonder who's pissed he doesn't meet the requirements for a job he's sure he's more than adequate to fill. The comment about Whitehorse leads me to believe he's from Vancouver or Toronto and has contempt for anything smaller than a metropolis, but would be willing to bring himself down to that level if the company would just realize that he's the greatest pilot in the history of anything.

When I came through the industry pilots were being hired for dash 8's with that time. And according to their website they have pilots working the ramp....
Redline and aileron, this is my biggest issue with the ad; it implies only captains have the ability to be captain. Just saying it would be nice to see a good company (as everyone says they are) put a couple of young guys in the right seat and mentor them. I remember a time when someone took a chance on me, and if this is the type of experience companies require for an entry level position, I just don't think I would have made it.
I do apologize for the shot at whitehorse, I've spent most of my adult life in worse places. But yes, the "bitching" does get old and I regret having started it.

Big Pistons Forever wrote: Your second post is your oportunity to make a constructive contribution to this forum.

flightsuite wrote:When I came through the industry pilots were being hired for dash 8's with that time. And according to their website they have pilots working the ramp....
Redline and aileron, this is my biggest issue with the ad; it implies only captains have the ability to be captain. Just saying it would be nice to see a good company (as everyone says they are) put a couple of young guys in the right seat and mentor them. I remember a time when someone took a chance on me, and if this is the type of experience companies require for an entry level position, I just don't think I would have made it.
I do apologize for the shot at whitehorse, I've spent most of my adult life in worse places. But yes, the "bitching" does get old and I regret having started it.

Well done.

Would anyone know the taxation relief that applies in the north ?
If there is such a thing as Danger pay as I might have heard from few chaps that worked up north quite some time ago?
I heard various things, Danger pay, or a tax reduction, although living up north can be expensive in some aspects but not an area of my expertise for me. hence the post for the light to be shed from the peeps up north.

Can anyone confirm if there are any sort of tax exemptions and roughly what it would be ? if it even exists at all.

The Northern Living allowance. Basically, you can declare $15 per day per household or $7 per day per person as a tax deduction. There is also a travel deduction allowed for two trips out to a maximum of I think $2400. Thats it.

Also, Alkan does take on low time guys, it looks like they may require a quick upgrade this time.

glass1/2full wrote:Would anyone know the taxation relief that applies in the north ?
If there is such a thing as Danger pay as I might have heard from few chaps that worked up north quite some time ago?
I heard various things, Danger pay, or a tax reduction, although living up north can be expensive in some aspects but not an area of my expertise for me. hence the post for the light to be shed from the peeps up north.

Can anyone confirm if there are any sort of tax exemptions and roughly what it would be ? if it even exists at all.

I don't think you will get any danger pay.

As an engineer, I love working with 5000 hr co-pilots in the territories. So does the customer.

Have fun folks,
SMcL.

The company has the right to ask for whatever qualifications it wants.
That being said...

To ask 500 MPIC to sit in the right seat of a king air...hurts everyone starting out. Nevermind the guys on the ramp.

Don't forget where you came from. If they wanted captains from other companies to apply....they should have asked.

my 2 cents

LPV

Hey Flightsuite,
Maybe you're one of the Seneca grads from back east who thinks it's cool to stick a 200 hour wonder in the right seat of a 260kt King Air while flying in mountainous terrain. Mount Logan is only 20,000ft tall. My point is, I wouldn't mind some experience helping me make decisions that might save a life.

Go get some experience.

Who cares about the landscape. There's published approaches. I've flown in their a few times and you don't need a 1000 hours to do so as a co joe. Way to many idiots on this site imho. But WTF do I know. No wonder so many people with good, valued opinions prefer not to post on this site. I guess I'm a sucker.

johnholmes wrote: Way to many idiots on this site imho. But WTF do I know.

No kidding. They have a 172 and 206 and every other jackass here thinks the King Air should be the "entry level" job.

the 500 multi pic is a contract requirment not a company requirment. Very similar to contrails in alberta. if you don't have the multi-PIC you can't progress

I can't believe there are questions about this hour requirement. It is so simple, to be Captain you need XXX amount of PIC time (due to Contrails or whatever) and you will not be getting any PIC at this (or at almost any other) F/O job so if you ever want to move up, you need the PIC time before you get there. It's a shame that there are no entry level multi jobs at this company but those are the facts, where is the problem?

When I started out F/O's on the Navajo had thousands of hours and turbine Captain was a pipe dream unless you had 5,000 hrs. I know times have changed but if I was a rich guy with my own King Air 350, you can bet the requirements to fly my family around would make Contrails look easy.

Gee Whiz Berzerker ... if you set employment limits too high for your corporate flight department, you'd be accused of screwing up the entire industry because you are a constriction in the pipeline flow of pilots from new CPL to 777 Captains ... how could you possibly face yourself in the mirror in the morning?

After all, is having a flight crew that you could trust with your grandchildren more important than making it possible for a newbie to shinny up the greasy pole of advancement that is Canadian aviation?

If the answer is yes .... then, Gee Swillikers man .... you really must be messed up ... after all in Outer Mongolia, newbies are going straight into an Airbus. In Somalia, they are hopping right into cargo 727's ... crikey man!

The Old (next resume please) Fogducker

I hear Alkan does a great job at promoting within but the job add isn't rocket science, if you don't have that time you don't meet their need to upgrade to the left seat in a time frame they have obviously planned for! Some of you have valid points and some of you sound like your IFR flight test is just around the corner!

The North is a beautiful and fulfilling place to fly over but the cold harsh reality is most of the runways in my territory have a C172 or C206 balled up at the end. Those were not from 200 hr wonders thinking their 10 hours of soft field landings over the course of their total 200 hours proved experience. They were from pilots with over five-hundred to thousands of hours learning the cold harsh realities of making that one near fatal mistake!

That company also has for those posters who are too ignorant to do any research some pilots on their beech product who just make the contract qualification minimums, and some pilots who have been around a while. Why is it so wrong as a company to have minimums, if you don't like it then you don't need apply to that job!

For all those lower time folks reading this - Think about creating your own minimums for you that the company must meet before you accept that job!

That's the corporate flight department for the tin foil company right?