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"We could have problems with the fuel" NS emergency landing.
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FlaplessDork
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Re: "We could have problems with the fuel" NS emergency land
Sounds like it.raven54 wrote:As in we're running out?
Robertson said that the plane had refuelled by midafternoon, passengers were boarding and it would leave shortly.
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Re: "We could have problems with the fuel" NS emergency land
Cadors Number: 2010A1285
Occurrence Date: 2010-12-22
Occurrence Time: 1620 Z
Occurrence Location: Sydney (CYQY)
Flight #: BTA4913
Country of Registration: UNITED STATES
Make: EMBRAER
Model: EMB-145XR
Operator: EXPRESSJET AIRLINES, INC. (12661)
Narrative: BTA4913, Embraer EMB-145XR, enroute from Newark (KEWR) to St. John’s (CYYT), conducted a missed approach at St. John’s and then proceeded to Halifax (CYHZ) as the alternate airport. Enroute to Halifax the flight declared a minimum fuel emergency. BTA4913 landed safely in Sydney (CYQY) at 16:30Z. There was no impact on operations. TSB Case Closed.
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Re: "We could have problems with the fuel" NS emergency land
they took min fuel and assued there were no delays. I don't know if they are alpa or not, but they did as much to prevent an accident as the pilots holding short of an active runway while a controller lost it. I say give them a fucking medal cause it takes a lot of balls to admit that you might have made an earlier mistake mid flight. This is why AC WS and every other major carrier demands command time to those who question the requirment for PIC on the ATPL
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Re: "We could have problems with the fuel" NS emergency land
Who said anything about them making a mistake?aviator2010 wrote:they took min fuel and assued there were no delays. I don't know if they are alpa or not, but they did as much to prevent an accident as the pilots holding short of an active runway while a controller lost it. I say give them a fucking medal cause it takes a lot of balls to admit that you might have made an earlier mistake mid flight. This is why AC WS and every other major carrier demands command time to those who question the requirment for PIC on the ATPL
Do you know how fast the weather changes in YYT?
Did you ever think during the diversion to YHZ they encountered very heavy headwinds?
These guys did their job in my opinion, nothing wrong, and nothing spectacular. Not being an idiot doesn't grant you a medal, it shouldn't be shocking when a flight crew makes the right decision based on an ever changing situation.
Re: "We could have problems with the fuel" NS emergency land
Did the pilots declare a fuel emergency or a minimum fuel advisory? I have done the minimum fuel advisory in the past, it's only to alert ATC that any further delay could result in a fuel emergency:
TC AIM:
1.8.2 Minimum Fuel Advisory
Pilots may experience situations where delays caused by traffic, weather or any other reason, result in the pilot being concerned about the aircraft’s fuel state upon reaching destination. In such cases, the pilot may declare to ATC that a MINIMUM FUEL condition exists. A MINIMUM FUEL declaration requires that the pilot:
advise ATC as soon as possible that a MINIMUM FUEL condition exists;
following an ATC communications transfer, advise the new sector or unit that a MINIMUM FUEL condition exists;
be aware that this is not an emergency situation, but merely an advisory that indicates an emergency is possible should any undue delay occur; (be aware that a minimum fuel advisory does not imply an ATC traffic priority although ATC special flight handling will be implemented; and declare an EMERGENCY if the pilot determines that the remaining usable fuel supply suggests the need for ATC traffic priority to ensure a safe landing. In this case, the pilot should indicate low fuel as the reason for the emergency and report to ATC the fuel remaining in minutes of flight. ATC will take the following special flight handling action when advised that a MINIMUM FUEL condition exists:
Be alert for any occurrence or situation that might delay the concerned aircraft and attempt to resolve any conflicts;
Inform the aircraft of any anticipated delay as soon as becoming aware of such a delay;
Inform the next sector or unit of the minimum fuel condition of the aircraft;
Record the information in the unit log; and
Be aware that an emergency situation may develop following a MINIMUM FUEL declaration.
In an effort to avoid confusion and to ensure that the appropriate ATC responses are provided, any non-standard phraseology used by the pilot referring to fuel or fuel shortage will cause ATC to immediately inquire if the pilot is declaring an emergency. Traffic priority will be given to a pilot who declares an emergency for fuel.
TC AIM:
1.8.2 Minimum Fuel Advisory
Pilots may experience situations where delays caused by traffic, weather or any other reason, result in the pilot being concerned about the aircraft’s fuel state upon reaching destination. In such cases, the pilot may declare to ATC that a MINIMUM FUEL condition exists. A MINIMUM FUEL declaration requires that the pilot:
advise ATC as soon as possible that a MINIMUM FUEL condition exists;
following an ATC communications transfer, advise the new sector or unit that a MINIMUM FUEL condition exists;
be aware that this is not an emergency situation, but merely an advisory that indicates an emergency is possible should any undue delay occur; (be aware that a minimum fuel advisory does not imply an ATC traffic priority although ATC special flight handling will be implemented; and declare an EMERGENCY if the pilot determines that the remaining usable fuel supply suggests the need for ATC traffic priority to ensure a safe landing. In this case, the pilot should indicate low fuel as the reason for the emergency and report to ATC the fuel remaining in minutes of flight. ATC will take the following special flight handling action when advised that a MINIMUM FUEL condition exists:
Be alert for any occurrence or situation that might delay the concerned aircraft and attempt to resolve any conflicts;
Inform the aircraft of any anticipated delay as soon as becoming aware of such a delay;
Inform the next sector or unit of the minimum fuel condition of the aircraft;
Record the information in the unit log; and
Be aware that an emergency situation may develop following a MINIMUM FUEL declaration.
In an effort to avoid confusion and to ensure that the appropriate ATC responses are provided, any non-standard phraseology used by the pilot referring to fuel or fuel shortage will cause ATC to immediately inquire if the pilot is declaring an emergency. Traffic priority will be given to a pilot who declares an emergency for fuel.
