Multi-Culturism a Failure

[Moose47]

http://www.cobourgatheist.com/index.php ... &Itemid=76

In my best Gomer Pyle, "Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpise Surrrrrrrrrrrprise"

[Dash-Ate]

So why did Harper's immigration henchman just commit to letting 250,000+ immigrants in each and every year?

Look at Toronto's most wanted list...


http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/mostwanted.php



Did we really need 1 million more people? We cannot find family doctors, good luck with that. We have high unemployment. What is he doing to us??

The Harper government has taken many initiatives in this area and, since they've been elected in 2006, they have issued 900,000 new Canadian citizenship cards.

http://www.lfpress.com/comment/columnis ... 72386.html

[Moose47]

G'day Dash-Ate

Wow, I find myself strongly agreeing with you on most points but you can not squarely put all the blame on Mr. Harper. This is an ongoing bi-partisan issue which has been building up for decades. As long as we have kids going to bed hungry, homeless vets, outstanding land claims etc. etc. I say let's stop all immigration and halt foreign aid until we get our own house in order. Let's start kicking out the undesirables who have committed crimes while here and somehow managed to prolong deportation. How about stopping the use of hyphenated Canadian too. I'll leave it at that for now.

[North Shore]

I say let's stop all immigration

Problem is, our economic system relies on constant growth - and we aren't producing enough people to fill all of the jobs vacated as the boomers retire. So, immigration it is..

[AMM]

So, immigration it is..

Nah just keep working till you die (or there abouts). Its all demographically sustainable!

[niss]

I propose that we bring back the free land for immigrants and start settling the north. The government should start towns and settlements up north and allow unskilled individuals to settle it.

If you want to move here and are skilled and employable you get to live wherever you want. If you have nothing to offer other then a strong back you get free land but you have to live where we tell you for 5 years.

Also start recognizing skills from other countries and start programs to bring their skills up to our own standards. There is no reason for Doctors from Asia to be driving cabs and cleaning offices.

Lets start some more crown corporations like mines and gas/oil exploration in the arctic, bring in said unskilled labour to work there, let's increase our tax base while solidifying our sovereignty in the arctic.

This country is to large and sparsely settled to sustain the kind of life and economy we want, we need to think about changing that rather than closing our borders.

3.5 people per square kilometer people.

[Hedley]

I think we would be insane to not let skilled/educated immigrants into Canada. Last time I checked we didn't have a big surplus of doctors, dentists, scientists, engineers, etc.

However, I am not such a big fan of impromptu arrivals of boatloads of refugees from countries harbouring terrorists, that the government immediately lets loose after they get to Canada. I don't really understand why we encourage that.

Meanwhile, as niss points out, the government refuses to acknowledge foreign qualifications. A good friend of mine, his wife is a doctor from Yugoslavia who came to Canada. Good so far. But it took her TEN YEARS to get re-qualified under the so-called superior Canadian medical system. She said afterwards, incredibly frustrated, that it would have been faster for her to just start medical school here all over again.

[bmc]

But it took her TEN YEARS to get re-qualified under the so-called superior Canadian medical system. She said afterwards, incredibly frustrated, that it would have been faster for her to just start medical school here all over again.

Sadly, the Canada's medical system is far from superior from many countries. I've heard of similar stories and I can't help but conclude it's simply protectionism. From my own experience of medical care and hospitalization in six countries (including Canada), Canada's sits at the bottom.

Back on the thread topic, are we as Canadian's allowed to agree that multiculturalism has failed? That's not very polite.

Multiculturalism failed when Canada admitted people from countries that hold different values of freedom, religious belief, values on education, place in society, etc. I have long believed that there is a quiet racism simmering in Canada as a result. I think we deep down want to believe we're a model for it, but don't really like the reality of different looking people living on same block, if you know what I mean.

[GreenStar]

Please don't send any more people to the north to settle. There are plenty of people there already and the population is increasing. What we really need is to get the able bodied people that are currently in the country working and productive, rather than being a drain on the working tax payers. The current programs don't seem to be effective, so perhaps some new thinking is needed. As was mentioned, what we can use, is more people to be fast-tracked into the medical field. Any new immigrants allowed in the country should be skilled and a benefit to the country, not siphoning off our economy.

[bmc]

Are they syphoning?

[niss]

Please don't send any more people to the north to settle. There are plenty of people there already and the population is increasing. What we really need is to get the able bodied people that are currently in the country working and productive, rather than being a drain on the working tax payers. The current programs don't seem to be effective, so perhaps some new thinking is needed. As was mentioned, what we can use, is more people to be fast-tracked into the medical field. Any new immigrants allowed in the country should be skilled and a benefit to the country, not siphoning off our economy.

My proposition was not to bolster current cities, but start new settlements with their own economies and essentially force newcomers to work the area in exchange for free land and the right to live here.

It may take a bit more of a socialist position than we would normally tolerate but if the people who want to move here agree then why not?

Also make the military more accessible. Maybe create something like the french foreign legion. Allow those with out any skills an opportunity to work for their new country, provide for their family and reward them with citizenship & land.

We strengthen our military, have a stronger display of sovereignty with a civilian population in the north (and an increased military to support it), and you increase a sense of nationalism in the people who participate.

And then we march those immigrant bastards over the ice cap and take those damn ruskies once and for all!!!!!

Muuhhuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

[Inverted2]

This is really going to bite us in the next few decades. Thats why Im glad to be living in a small town, away from the multicultural mess! Yes Dash Ate, I did notice a certain pattern in the Torontos most wanted list but I dare not speak it!

We can thank Pierre Turdo for starting this multicultural mess. I'm in YUL today, I feel like taking a big dump on his grave.

[niss]

I agree whole heartedly! @#$! different cultures!!! God damn multiculturism!!!! Imagine! The audacity of foreigners coming to this country and forcing their beliefs everyone who was here before them!

The fucking nerve!! Who does a thing like that?



Oh... right......

[Inverted2]

Niss, I have no problem with other cultures but I do have a problem when they move to my country and try to take over and change OUR culture. Can you imagine if a bunch of Canadians moved over to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and tried to put up churches everywhere and tried to impose our values on their people?

Tell me again how much you love multiculturalism in 20 years when they are trying shove sharia law down your throat!

[GreenStar]

bmc,
I checked "syphoning" and did not find it in the dictionary. Perhaps some humor that went past me. Sorry.

Niss,
You have some good points, if people are willing to work and contribute for the privilege to live here, great. My concerns are those that are allowed in, don't contribute and are a drag on the system, not an asset. Any thoughts on what can be done about our able bodied citizens that choose not to work, but are still subsidized by the taxpayers? Correct that problem and we would have enough money to solve all our health care woes.

[niss]

Niss, I have no problem with other cultures but I do have a problem when they move to my country and try to take over and change OUR culture. Can you imagine if a bunch of Canadians moved over to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and tried to put up churches everywhere and tried to impose our values on their people?

Tell me again how much you love multiculturalism in 20 years when they are trying shove sharia law down your throat!

You mean kind of like what happened in Iraq & Afghanistan? Spreading our form of democracy and the right to eat McDonalds & Pizza Hut?

This continent was founded on fucking the indigenous population over and forcing new beliefs on them. You love a country and want to protect its normalities that are based on the same principal you are trying to protect it from.

Don't get me wrong, I love our society the way it is and do not want to see Shariah law or any other form of religious legal system. That said, it seems highly hypocritical to me to take such a stand on such "risks" of immigration. If Muslim canadians want to apply pressure to their MP to try to bring Shariah into Canada, as long as it is done democratically/peacefully/legally then all the power to them.

Call me an idealist but I believe that in a free democratic society we are able to use those mechanisms to push what ever agenda we want with in the legal framework of that country. And if that were not the case then we would not have had Harper open a free vote to banish same sex marriage a few years ago.

Niss,
You have some good points, if people are willing to work and contribute for the privilege to live here, great. My concerns are those that are allowed in, don't contribute and are a drag on the system, not an asset. Any thoughts on what can be done about our able bodied citizens that choose not to work, but are still subsidized by the taxpayers? Correct that problem and we would have enough money to solve all our health care woes.

Contracts. If you want to come here and you do not have anything to offer beyond a strong back then you are offered a chunk of land and a steady paycheque up in Fort Beauch-port-iwanikut, if you don't like it then sorry you cant come, if you don't hold up your end of the bargain, sorry you don't get to stay.

Refugees get 5 years to stay where they want and on the social assistance, if they choose to stay and they are unskilled they get the same deal above, or they can move back to their countries (assuming the situation has calmed down).

The domestic (white trash) issue is a sticky one. Entice them with the prospect of free land as well. We have so much that we aren't doing anything with. Create more crown corporations to employ people and keep the money in Canada. Start with the insurance companies, gas/oil companies, and telecommunication companies.

I know most would disagree with me but I would much rather see a crown corporation hemorrhage money then be given the misleading illusion that there is actually any sort of competition in these industries.

I would rather pad the national bank account and have lower insurance rates, energy costs and cell phone bills then give it to the criminals that run the insurance business, pretend that gasoline is a commodity and price it base on speculation, and to Bell, Rogers, and Fido whom copy each other exactly.

If there is going to be a monopoly (and don't kid yourselves, there is) why shouldn't it be one that benefits all Canadians rather then fucking them over?

[Inverted2]

"You mean kind of like what happened in Iraq & Afghanistan? Spreading our form of democracy and the right to eat McDonalds & Pizza Hut?"

I agree with you 100% on that.

[Beefitarian]

These towns can be run like the ultimate "intigrate into North America" schools.

They would be perfect for experimanting with high efficiency building materials and better construction methods. Once you have learned French or the second official language properly and have achieved a suitible level of skill in your vocation you will be allowed to seek employment in the City of your choice. Once you have found a permanent job that promises you 8 months of employment you may move there with your family.

They must be attractive enough for some current citizens to actually move there for a short period of time to be mentors.

If they are not they will just become ghettos and we might as well set them up in Siberia and just lie about it in the brochures. Sending over Canadian flags and meat for the reception airports. "Da comrade, is Canada, welcome!"

[mcrit]

Guys,

There is a reason the North is sparsely settled. You can't grow anything, and anything you manufacture costs an arm and a leg to ship.

[niss]

Guys,

There is a reason the North is sparsely settled. You can't grow anything, and anything you manufacture costs an arm and a leg to ship.

And the reason it costs so much to ship is because it's so sparsely settled. If there were more settlements in the north there would be demand for better infrastructure.

Imagine we had the population and the population density to justify a rail network like in europe.

[GreenStar]

The domestic (white trash) issue is a sticky one. Entice them with the prospect of free land as well. We have so much that we aren't doing anything with. Create more crown corporations to employ people and keep the money in Canada.

I am not sure I would go with more Crown Corporations, as that does not seem to be going all that well, but any kind of employment would be better than none. The free land, maybe, but the Northern communities have plenty of land they don't really utilize and we can see what kind of money drain that has become for the tax payers. It would seem the time has come to give able-bodied adults the option of getting a job, putting their time in community service/ government run work programs, or loosing their government benefits. All new comers should be treated the same. Too many people have no work ethic and it is time change that. In my opinion it would solve a lot of our problems. Canada is starting to look like the US, with multiple generation welfare recipients coming on line.

[Beefitarian]

No rail, Manitoba airships.

[mcrit]

And the reason it costs so much to ship is because it's so sparsely settled. If there were more settlements in the north there would be demand for better infrastructure.

OK, pay attention to the first part of my statement. You can't grow anything up there; you can't have farms. Now, let's ponder that for a minute. No farms, means none of the stuff that comes from farms; that being food. So, all the food has to come in from points south. All the food is going to be super expensive up there no mater how good the infrastructure is. The same goes for medicine and pretty much all the other cornerstones of modern life.
So, you're not going to base your economy on exporting food. You could try and base it on exporting manufatured goods, except that all your workers are going to have to be very well paid compared to people living in the south (you know, all the ones close to the cheap food). So your manufactured goods are not going to be competetive.
The only thing that will ever drive a northern economy is resource exports. And, low an behold, where are most of the self sustaining northern communities found?

[JakeYYZ]

it is ridiculous when politicians describe multiculturalism as a celebration of this country’s diversity. They hop from a Chinese festival to a Pakistani enclave party and call it a celebration of diversity. But has anyone seen one ethnic group join another to celebrate this diversity?
When there is little social and economic interaction among various ethnic enclaves, what is there to celebrate about this so-called multiculturalism? It is pure segregation.
Some people could argue immigrant groups start assimilating into the mainstream only after their second or third generations. Yes, it happened in the case of earlier immigrants who came from the same ethnic and religious stock and got completely cut off from their ancestral lands.
But it has not happened with later immigrants who came from many different races and religions and are today wired 24-hours-a-day to their native lands thanks to the communication revolution. How much interaction do you see between the Chinese and the Indians, though both groups have been here for about a century?
Since Canada can’t do without immigration, the way to address the issue is to rejig immigration policies which have been on autopilot for too long.
It is time to delink immigration from the politics of vote bank and gear it towards creating a knowledge society for the 21st century. Let in more foreign students. They will bring not only badly needed cash for Canadian universities, but also become much better immigrants if they are willing to stay here.
Semi-skilled or unskilled immigrants are needed to run Tim Hortons, Walmarts and cabs, but stop importing people whose culture and way of life is a sure recipe for future conflicts. Overhaul the family-class category to stop its rampant misuse.
If a marriage with an imported spouse doesn’t last three years, deport her or him immediately.
Turn off the tap on those who have picked up pensions abroad and now want their children here to sponsor them so Canadian taxpayers pay the bills for their care in old age.
Immigration should be need based. Period.

http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/2011/0 ... 89986.html
Here’s a Sikh, saying in the newspaper what I’ve been writing here for years, all the while being called a “racist” .

[Inverted2]

I feel Sikh after reading that! Now where did I put my kirpan?