126.7 In NWO

[TwigPig]

Noticed recently that the amount of really, really useless radio calls have gone up. Listen now I am all for making the proper calls and explaining CLEARLY where you are and your intentions.....but really a Dash 8 making 5 calls in 3 minutes going into Summer Bummer and Kas is out of hand. You don't have to say that you are landing in 6,5,4,3, and 2 minutes this is causing a bunch of problems. Aircraft that want to make calls can't because you guys are talking gibberish and not making sense, please everyone just think about what the heck you are going to say and then say it clearly and quickly, and make the most of your time. This can only help the problem.

Oh man, let the flamin of me begin.

[Les Habitants]

Quite frankly, I feel that the regular "5 minutes out" and "on final" calls aren't anywhere near enough. Calls made on 126.7 and 122.8 (and other ATF frequencies) are all too often missed for whatever reason-pilot doing paperwork, tuning/identing beacon, performing checklist/briefings, or maybe 2 pilots transmit at the same time and step on each other. Pilots in Northern MB and NWO do a LOT of flying in uncontrolled airspace, and are responsible for maintaining their own traffic separation. Making "extra" calls only help make sure you aren't going to unexpectedly rocket into another plane that happened to be in the same area. Good on this crew for doing so.

There is just no compromise for safety, and suggesting that people report their position less just so that you don't have to hear it does not sound like very good airman ship to me. It's one thing if two pilots are having a conversation over 26.7 or another frequency, but simply reporting their position is very smart.

[fish4life]

this further strengthens the need for some sort of 100 mile range limiter on 126.7 although it would probably be really expensive and cause problems

[TwigPig]

Ok listen now. I fully understand the need and the safety reasons to make position report and be safe. That is a great thing. But seriously to make 6 radio calls in 4 minutes in completely not needed. Not at all. When the crew constantly is repeating over and over again "conflicts 126 decial 7" and giving their times to the strip in Zulu time instead of minutes and carrying on about potential TCAS conflicts 5000 feet above them....come the @#$! on. Wasaya, North Star, Nakina, and many other companies have been operating for years without major problems for years giving very clear and concise position reports and things are ok. But when you try and make your radio call and you can't get a word in edgewise because Transcanada or otherwise is going on with the 3rd call in 4 minutes how is that possibly safe?
Les Habitants or whatever you call yourself I really don't think my airmenship is poor at all. I call get my information out and keep my ears and eyes open. When the situation calls for more calls by all means but let's use common sense out there.

[short bus]

who's transcanada?

[208Drvr]

Isn't English the primary language in aviation?

A position report is the same call no matter where you make it. 10 min back then 5 final and down and clear are all the standard calls. The only need for more than that is for traffic avoidance. Not to hear your own voice over the radio.

Let's keep 26.7 clear for these calls.

There were numerous calls stepping all over the Long drawn-out useless calls that I should have heard but didn't.

Keep the calls down to whats needed.

[fingersmac]

Noticed recently that the amount of really, really useless radio calls have gone up.

Ugh, my pet peeve. Useless or unnecessary radio calls. I'm not perfect and I make the occasional poor radio call but it's the repeat offenders that bother me. I recently had someone say "xxxx started up on the ramp, departing runway xx in two minutes" just to see them taxiing out on to the runway immediately. What was the point of that call; just say your taxiing instead of trying to make me guess what you're doing for two minutes. In one case, no backtrack was required and they were airborne in less than 30 seconds.

Making "extra" calls only help make sure you aren't going to unexpectedly rocket into another plane that happened to be in the same area. Good on this crew for doing so.

Making clear and concise radio calls when necessary, maintain listening watch on appropriate frequencies and keeping a lookout (when able) are the key to avoiding traffic. Making "extra" calls only ties up the frequency, especially in areas that overlap.

Besides, where do you draw the line? I could report my position every two minutes until I land on 126.7 starting 15 minutes out. Is that safe or too much? How about if I call every five minutes or every 5 miles, etc, just in case?

who's transcanada?

Regional One.

...then 5 final and down and clear are all the standard calls.

Unnecessary on 126.7, IMO.

[Doc]

Noticed recently that the amount of really, really useless radio calls have gone up. Listen now I am all for making the proper calls and explaining CLEARLY where you are and your intentions.....but really a Dash 8 making 5 calls in 3 minutes going into Summer Bummer and Kas is out of hand. You don't have to say that you are landing in 6,5,4,3, and 2 minutes this is causing a bunch of problems. Aircraft that want to make calls can't because you guys are talking gibberish and not making sense, please everyone just think about what the heck you are going to say and then say it clearly and quickly, and make the most of your time. This can only help the problem.

Oh man, let the flamin of me begin.

Couldn't agree with you more! If everybody limited it to 5 minutes from where and final, that would be just right.

A good position report IMHO should be as so:

Bumfuklake traffic (everybody else can already tune out)
Armpit Air 001 (now we know who)
Inbound from the south (now we know where the "conflict" might occur)
Landing Bumfuklake in five (refreshes the "where" and now we know when)

That's IT! Nothing more is needed. If YOU are a conflict, contact Armpit Air 001. Otherwise, go back to sleep. Why can nobody get this? Too simple?

[Maynard]

+1 and none of this 'at this time' and 'currently'...it's pretty obvious that we're hearing you live.

[Janszoon]

What Doc said. I just add my altitude. Quick and easy.

[Les Habitants]

Les Habitants or whatever you call yourself I really don't think my airmenship is poor at all. I call get my information out and keep my ears and eyes open. When the situation calls for more calls by all means but let's use common sense out there.

Not at all trying to question your Airmanship TwigPig. I am only saying, I don't think over communicating should be considered a problem. 126.7 isn't THAT tied up-usually. Traffic calls should be made once on 26.7 and the rest on 22.8 (or whatever the ATF is).

Sorry for my choice of words-the comment wasn't directed at you personally at all, rather just trying to back up my opinion.

Cheers

[AOW]

who's transcanada?

Regional1 airlines is the short answer... the A/C they are flying is a DH8 painted in the colours of a certain YQT based native joint venture partnership airline that is leasing the A/C (buying in the future?) but does not yet have their 705 operation up and running, so can't operate it themselves. In related news, there is another DH8, in the same paint scheme, but actually owned by the mine that they serve, is operated under its civil reg, and apparently under part 604, once again as their 705 certificate is pending.

[AOW]

A good position report IMHO should be as so:

Bumfuklake traffic (everybody else can already tune out)
Armpit Air 001 (now we know who)
Inbound from the south (now we know where the "conflict" might occur)
Landing Bumfuklake in five (refreshes the "where" and now we know when)

That's IT! Nothing more is needed. If YOU are a conflict, contact Armpit Air 001. Otherwise, go back to sleep. Why can nobody get this? Too simple?

PS: +1

There are times when multiple calls are required... ie when you and somebody else are estimating the same field at the same time; most of the time, however, when there is nobody else within 50 miles of you, there is no need to fill up the freq with 11 calls in 10 minutes!

[icewa]

IFR metroliner vs. a VFR metroliner, or IFR 1900 vs. VFR 1900.

Do they look different?

[Doc]

IFR metroliner vs. a VFR metroliner, or IFR 1900 vs. VFR 1900.

Do they look different?

Well, you're obviously a low timer! DUH!! The IFR Metro is the green one. The VFR Metro is the green one! See the difference???
Get with the programme!

[BingBong]

...then 5 final and down and clear are all the standard calls.

Unnecessary on 126.7, IMO.

I beg to differ....try being on the ground in CZKE (122.8 mhz)....and CYFA being less then 5NM away (122.8 mhz)....and transiting between the two airports. Any call on the ground to either of these airports usually isn't heard on 122.8 due to low reception height. Whereas 126.7 can be heard miles away. IMHO

[Lurch]

I beg to differ....try being on the ground in CZKE (122.8 mhz)....and CYFA being less then 5NM away (122.8 mhz)....and transiting between the two airports. Any call on the ground to either of these airports usually isn't heard on 122.8 due to low reception height. Whereas 126.7 can be heard miles away. IMHO

I think you need to expand on this one, Are you saying that you're going from one Airport to the other, or transiting through the zone? if it's the second then you are above 3000' or 5nms so why do you care?

Also why would 126.7 transmit further then 122.8?

Lurch

[BingBong]

Going from airport to airport.....and as for the transmitting.....i dunno...thats just what i've noticed.

[Doc]

Also why would 126.7 transmit further then 122.8?
Lurch

Because 126.7 is a higher number than 122.8! Pretty obvious! The higher the number, the farther it goes.

[Lurch]

Because 126.7 is a higher number than 122.8! Pretty obvious! The higher the number, the farther it goes.

I'm going to take that as sarcasm.

but in all seriousness does anybody know the range difference between the two frequencies? I know that the main factor is Antenna height AGL but how much does the freq make?

[Lurch]

Going from airport to airport.....and as for the transmitting.....i dunno...thats just what i've noticed.

So in 5nm you are going back and forth between 122.8 and 126.7? Why?

Maybe the difference you are noticing is people using two comms, otherwise there would be noticeable difference at such a short range.

[fish4life]

he is probably talking to planes that are higher when he is on 126.7... personally once I get near / in the zone if 126.7 is stupid busy I just turn it down the last thing I want is to miss a call of someone just getting airborne on 122.8 by chatter on 126.7 100 miles away

[stef]

Those guys aren't from around here so aren't familiar with NW Ont issues. Cut them some slack. It isn't a big deal.

[fingersmac]

I beg to differ....try being on the ground in CZKE (122.8 mhz)....and CYFA being less then 5NM away (122.8 mhz)....and transiting between the two airports. Any call on the ground to either of these airports usually isn't heard on 122.8 due to low reception height. Whereas 126.7 can be heard miles away. IMHO

I'm not sure I follow. What do you mean "any call on the ground to either of these airports..."?

And for the record, I fly between ZKE and YFA quite a bit, so I'm familiar with the area.

[BingBong]

So do I chief.....

you are at albany....im at kash.....try calling me on 22.8....won't pick you up. But if you try me on 67.....I can hear you clear as a bell