50 Jobs that pay 50/hour

[D_Thissen]

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22. Instructor flying (in-flight)
Average annual salary: $ 99,800



Any instructors here making 100k a year?

[skypirate88]

And another question...What school pays $50 an hour to their instructors?

[burhead1]

And another question...What school pays $50 an hour to their instructors?

NASA

[lownslow]

I bet someone saw the "Class I Instructor - $55/hour" sign at the local flight school and assumed they made that amount full time. Either that or some school is getting desperate for Class IV students and is spreading nonsense...

LnS.

[iflyforpie]

I remember during a nurse's strike years ago, the union was complaining that auto mechanics were making $60 to $70 an hour and that nurses who are responsible for people's lives should make at least as much.

No ma'am, that's the shop rate. The mechanic only receives a small proportion of that.

I think the same confusion has happened here. It would be great if an instructor could take home their billing rate, but they probably would wind up dead if they tried to log 2080 instructional hours a year.

[SuperchargedRS]

Freelance rate?

[co-joe]

I did see an add for a mechanic at a stealership paying up to $36.50 per hour. Not a bad J-man rate for twitsin wrenches. AME's probably come close to that eh?

[cyeg66]

Whew! At least they didn't mention ATC, unless their term for it in this case is Traffic Director(?). What the hell's a traffic director, anyways?

[kevenv]

Whew! At least they didn't mention ATC, unless their term for it in this case is Traffic Director(?). What the hell's a traffic director, anyways?

Isn't he the dude on the ramp waving the funny flashlights? Or is that an air traffic controller?

[Rudder Bug]

Freelance rate?

Right on; a friend of mine is a Class 1 freelance with decades of experience and his rate is $75/hour.

RB

[dcabrown]

A few Questions:

1.) The "going" rate for instructors through flight schools these days is around $60-70/hr.... Of that amount, typically, what does the instructor take home?

2.) What is stopping more instructors from free lancing? I've read a few times, career instructors who basically buy their own plane and teach on it. Is that far easier to do in the U.S. because of regulations? Is that type of story more an exception in the U.S.?

Speaking as a student, I'm more than happy to pay for good instructors. I just find it ridiculous instructors don't get the full rate. Would it kill flight school profits that much if they gave instructors the full amount? Don't they make enough on the plane rental??

It's soo a$$ backwards that a good chunk of the people instructing others in a profession that has life or death implications are 200hr wonders. that were students themselves about 5 mins ago...

[iflyforpie]

It's soo a$$ backwards that a good chunk of the people instructing others in a profession that has life or death implications are 200hr wonders. that were students themselves about 5 mins ago...

Maybe it's a$$ backwards, but it has been that way for a hundred years and it will be that way for the foreseeable future. We won a world war with 200 hour wonders who were taught by 200 hour wonders who flew more complex machines in more dangerous conditions than any of us will ever experience.

Old gruff instructor: 'I can't understand why 200 hour wonders are teaching people to fly'.

New student: 'I don't know either, can you teach me to fly?'

Old gruff instructor: 'I don't do ab initio'.

[dcabrown]

Hopefully my tone wasn't misinterpreted...

I have nothing against young instructors. In fact, in many cases, if they can take lessons learned from their own experience as a student, they can be far superior to a lot of old curmudgeons who have great skill but little ability to effectively communicate.

I just find it weird there don't seem to be more "experienced" instructors.

I wonder if the all too often cited wave of retiring airline pilots may result in some experienced airline types teaching part time?

[Cat Driver]

I wonder if the all too often cited wave of retiring airline pilots may result in some experienced airline types teaching part time?

A lot of us do.

Some of us are unable to teach ab-initio due the difficulty in getting our flight instructors rating renewed.

In my case it is a non starter anyhow because I am black listed by TCCC from working as a pilot in any part of Canadian aviation.

[Dagwood]

36. Aircraft pilot jet
Average annual salary: $104,500

What's a pilot jet? How do I become one? jk...

Seriously though, is that salary figure overrated too? I don't think most pilots see that kind of money until 6 or 7 years with the same company.

[KK7]

A few Questions:

1.) The "going" rate for instructors through flight schools these days is around $60-70/hr.... Of that amount, typically, what does the instructor take home?

2.) What is stopping more instructors from free lancing? I've read a few times, career instructors who basically buy their own plane and teach on it. Is that far easier to do in the U.S. because of regulations? Is that type of story more an exception in the U.S.?

Speaking as a student, I'm more than happy to pay for good instructors. I just find it ridiculous instructors don't get the full rate. Would it kill flight school profits that much if they gave instructors the full amount? Don't they make enough on the plane rental??

It's soo a$$ backwards that a good chunk of the people instructing others in a profession that has life or death implications are 200hr wonders. that were students themselves about 5 mins ago...

To answer a few of your questions, it has been my experience that instructors at a flight school make about 40%-60% of the rate charged by the flight school depending on which class of instructor rating the instructor has, and a few other factors like the type of instruction the instructor can offer, any administrative work he/she might do, and seniority. Class 4 instructors legally require supervision by a Class 1 or 2. A Class 4 also cannot freelance. A Class 3 or better is required to freelance.

What generally stops people from freelancing on their own aircraft in Canada, is that this isn't legal unless the instructor register's their aircraft commercially and obtains a Flight Training Unit Operating Certificate (FTU OC), which is quite the paperwork job. I believe in the US that one can teach and run a small school without an OC. In Canada freelancing is only realistic on someone else's aircraft that is at an "arms-length" to the instructor.

Going back to the cut the flight school keeps of the rate charged for the instructor, this is not as ridiculous practice as it may seem. Frankly, flight schools barely make any profit, as aviation in general is barely a break even business. Sure there are some schools that can rake in more cash than others, but in general, not much profit is made if any. Aircraft rental rates are indeed high, but so is the fuel and the insurance and maintenance the school must pay to keep them flying. In my own experience pricing rentals, the prices charged are barely enough to break even. It's especially more difficult to stay above water when there is competition nearby trying to beat your prices - usually it's a race to see who can drive the other out of business sooner.

The amount that the flight school keeps from the instruction rate goes to all the peripheral things the school needs, and that the instructor needs to do his/her job. Things like a classroom, briefing room, computer/internet/phone to check weather, flight plans, booking system, dispatch, fancy website to attract business. To stay running, you need a good CFI and Operations Manager, and to have one that isn't just around for a few months until a bigger carrot shows up, you need to pay these people enough to live comfortably.

Yes the industry should be the other way around where experienced people are the ones teaching, and the cost to you as a student would probably be double what it is now to get a licence. You do get what you pay for though...

[D_Thissen]

Where I work the instructor rate (for Class 4,3 and 2 I believe) is $70/hr. As a Class 4 I see $30. But like stated above they probably saw that an Instructor costs 70 or so an hour and figured they take home all of it.

[Les Habitants]

36. Aircraft pilot jet
Average annual salary: $104,500

What's a pilot jet? How do I become one? jk...

Seriously though, is that salary figure overrated too? I don't think most pilots see that kind of money until 6 or 7 years with the same company.

I hear that one alot! or is it allot?
just kidding Dagwood

[Les Habitants]

36. Aircraft pilot jet
Average annual salary: $104,500

What's a pilot jet? How do I become one? jk...

Seriously though, is that salary figure overrated too? I don't think most pilots see that kind of money until 6 or 7 years with the same company.

I hear that one alot! or is it allot?
just kidding Dagwood

[atwork]

Whew! At least they didn't mention ATC, unless their term for it in this case is Traffic Director(?). What the hell's a traffic director, anyways?

Isn't he the dude on the ramp waving the funny flashlights? Or is that an air traffic controller?

No those are the people that service the flights, I believe they are called Flight Service Specialists

[lilfssister]

Whew! At least they didn't mention ATC, unless their term for it in this case is Traffic Director(?). What the hell's a traffic director, anyways?

Isn't he the dude on the ramp waving the funny flashlights? Or is that an air traffic controller?

No those are the people that service the flights, I believe they are called Flight Service Specialists

If I had a dollar for every time I had to explain that is NOT what I do...
Nor do I check the oil or fuel up the planes...

[Bank Angle]

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22. Instructor flying (in-flight)
Average annual salary: $ 99,800

Any instructors here making 100k a year?

Well, let's see here: $99,800 / $50 = 1996 hours... last time I checked even instructors are legally restricted to 1200 hours a year... I guess they could add 796 hours of ground briefing though!

A few Questions:

1.) The "going" rate for instructors through flight schools these days is around $60-70/hr.... Of that amount, typically, what does the instructor take home?

2.) What is stopping more instructors from free lancing? I've read a few times, career instructors who basically buy their own plane and teach on it. Is that far easier to do in the U.S. because of regulations? Is that type of story more an exception in the U.S.?

Speaking as a student, I'm more than happy to pay for good instructors. I just find it ridiculous instructors don't get the full rate. Would it kill flight school profits that much if they gave instructors the full amount? Don't they make enough on the plane rental??

It's soo a$$ backwards that a good chunk of the people instructing others in a profession that has life or death implications are 200hr wonders. that were students themselves about 5 mins ago...

1. Typically less than half!

2. Freelancing on a student's airplane is fine, but you have no liability insurance if anything ever happens to that student, EVER, for their entire flying career, and they decide to sue you. Freelancing on your own aircraft is running a commercial operation without an operating certificate, and hence illegal!

3. Schools actually don't make much on the airplane rentals after paying for maintenance, fuel, insurance. Most of their costs (facilities and operating) are covered by the profits they make on the instructors. Just look at how much more it costs to buy a share in an airplane which is only used for "rental" purposes. And as mentioned above, the biggest advantage instructors get out of working under a school's operating certificate (other than an airplane to work on, as most students don't have their own) is liability insurance coverage.

4. Supply and demand, supply and demand... pay is $#!t because school's can get away with it (just like the regional airlines in the US), and hence they don't attract experienced, retired pilots.

[swordfish]

2. Freelancing on a student's airplane is fine, but you have no liability insurance if anything ever happens to that student, EVER, for their entire flying career, and they decide to sue you. Freelancing on your own aircraft is running a commercial operation without an operating certificate, and hence illegal!

I doubt that. Freelancing is working for hire or reward. Any commercial- or airline-licenced pilot can do that, under a non-approved training program - provided he (she) has an instructor rating. And you don't even need that for 'advanced' training such as multi-engine or instrument ratings.

And as for the liability part, IF what you say is correct, you simply obtain a waiver of liability before you start training.

Under a non-approved program, you cannot train, then recommend for a flight test. The recommendation has to come from another instructor, and I believe it has to be a 3 or higher (used to be...), implying that it has to come from a school (FTU).

[SAR_YQQ]

Any instructors here making 100k a year?

Quite a few out here make that or slightly less. Green and blue suit.

[x15]

Full time Instructors/professors at Seneca College make that. And get loads of time off to boot.