VFR 4Hr Bottle to Throttle
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shithawk69
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VFR 4Hr Bottle to Throttle
Izzz bbleeenn slthinkin that they shlould (hick up) changgge deah drinkisin tah 4 heurs for VFFFRrr,, yiuupp
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Care to solve the puzzle? You're all out of vowels.Izzz bbleeenn slthinkin that they shlould (hick up) changgge deah drinkisin tah 4 heurs for VFFFRrr,, yiuupp
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I like airplanes.
Not to sound like a stick in the mud.....but.
Its comments like this that make you wonder why the pilot profession has gone down the drain.
Professionalism and respect starts from within.
Flight School / Trasnsport Canada standards are killing this industry.
You wonder why pilots salarys are no longer equal with that of Dr.'s and Lawyers.....because the educational level now required to hold a CPL/ATPL is lightyears below that of a high level university education.
Raise the education standards required = weeding out those bad apples = more respect demanded = higher salery.
Wow....this industry isn' that so hard to understand after all.
Its comments like this that make you wonder why the pilot profession has gone down the drain.
Professionalism and respect starts from within.
Flight School / Trasnsport Canada standards are killing this industry.
You wonder why pilots salarys are no longer equal with that of Dr.'s and Lawyers.....because the educational level now required to hold a CPL/ATPL is lightyears below that of a high level university education.
Raise the education standards required = weeding out those bad apples = more respect demanded = higher salery.
Wow....this industry isn' that so hard to understand after all.
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Cat Driver
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Cheer up, a lot of these posters hopefully are not really commercial pilots..
However if they are then the industry pay standards need to be lowered.
Cheer up, a lot of these posters hopefully are not really commercial pilots..
However if they are then the industry pay standards need to be lowered.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Its not just the post.
Its the attitude that I see more and more of in the schools and regional companies.
I am a frim believe that TC standards are far to low and this is what has created a pilot surplus over the past decade.
To be totally honest, yes, flight training is expensive, but too many people in the industry believe that just becasue they spent a lot of money means that they should get paid a lot? Give me a break. In todays world, if you want to get paid the bigs bucks, you HAVE to be well educated.....why do some people think that this doesn't count for pilots?
Its the attitude that I see more and more of in the schools and regional companies.
I am a frim believe that TC standards are far to low and this is what has created a pilot surplus over the past decade.
To be totally honest, yes, flight training is expensive, but too many people in the industry believe that just becasue they spent a lot of money means that they should get paid a lot? Give me a break. In todays world, if you want to get paid the bigs bucks, you HAVE to be well educated.....why do some people think that this doesn't count for pilots?
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Cat Driver
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Have you noted the requirements to get into TC?
And more important have you had a close look at the IQ of some of those in charge at TC?
Therein may lie part of the reason why the standards are so low.
And more important have you had a close look at the IQ of some of those in charge at TC?
Therein may lie part of the reason why the standards are so low.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Username. Just because I don't have a University education dosen't mean I can't be a good pilot. To tell you the truth I am a good pilot with only a college education. I have one question to ask you. If a person has an english dagree how will that help them fly an ILS. I feel that some people were ment to be pilots and even if they don't have a university dagree they should still be allowed to fly.
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wollypilot
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http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/RegSe ... /sep04.htm
Pacific February 18, 2004 CAR 602.03 14 days licence suspension
A commercial pilot had his licence suspended for 14 days for having taken off in a Cessna 172 just after having had a beer.
Pacific February 18, 2004 CAR 602.03 14 days licence suspension
A commercial pilot had his licence suspended for 14 days for having taken off in a Cessna 172 just after having had a beer.
I doubt he meant that pilots need or should have an unrelated university degree. But a 2-3 year program focusing on aviation might not be a bad idea.peeelot wrote:Username. Just because I don't have a University education dosen't mean I can't be a good pilot. To tell you the truth I am a good pilot with only a college education. I have one question to ask you. If a person has an english dagree how will that help them fly an ILS. I feel that some people were ment to be pilots and even if they don't have a university dagree they should still be allowed to fly.
That said, I agree that you don't need one to be a good pilot, and having one isn't a guarentee that you will be one.
no sig because apparently quoting people in context is offensive to them.
The Leblanks and the rest of the toilets out there will always be market/oil price driven. And that is why you can't really compare plane drivers to Lawyers/Doctors. The educational level required for a CPL/ATPL in 2005 is exactly the same as it was in 1975. Will upping the requirements really give us more money in the end?...I think its pure speculation.
The state of the industry is not all that bad though. There are way more jobs now than there were 30 years ago. And most non aviation people still give us “that" respect that we so desire. Mainline still makes decent coin as do charter/cargo 705 operators. Enjoy life, stay fit, eat, drink and be merry! Life is what you make it...Some good years lie ahead for all of us. There will be some good hiring going on this summer, opening up quite a few doors. Good luck to all!
The state of the industry is not all that bad though. There are way more jobs now than there were 30 years ago. And most non aviation people still give us “that" respect that we so desire. Mainline still makes decent coin as do charter/cargo 705 operators. Enjoy life, stay fit, eat, drink and be merry! Life is what you make it...Some good years lie ahead for all of us. There will be some good hiring going on this summer, opening up quite a few doors. Good luck to all!
...Seems they are going to remove the axe and the control column from the cockpits for security reasons.
Username -----are you another one of those people that think ALL doctors and ALL lawyers make $150-$350,000/year and that they ALL get that because they ALL did 8 years of schooling then "interned" or "articuled" somewhere. Never mine other pilots out there, you got a pile of learning to do about two professions that I know of already.
How old are you anyway boy? There was a "supposed" pilot shortage 45 years ago and if there wasn't one you could find an "impending pilot shortage" on the horizon somewhere. The pilot shortage usually gets higher the closer you get to the flying school's doors. They make their money that way and if nobody shows up at the door, then they don't have a business anymore.....so they're promoting their business like all good business people. The only time there's not been a "pilot shortage" was about 1940 -1942, when they couldn't "churn" them out fast enough. So if you want to know why the constant over abundence of pilots in proportion to the vacancies out there, then lay a whole large part of that at the feet of those that place stars in the eyes of prospective students about the "impending retirements", resulting in "impending shortages" and resulting in "impending" quick advancement to 6 figures if they are anywheres near competent. I've been waiting for the "impending pilot shortage" for 43 years and I even took the time-off to get a university degree in '86. That degree and $1.75 got me a "double, double" at Tim Horton's, but it didn't make jobs available where there weren't any. So you can start by going down to your local flying club that is pumping out a bunch of students now while others in the industry are trying to make ends meet and kick the first Instructor you see in the gonads.......then again, don't kick him at all....find the F'in owner that hands out that BS in the first place in his brochures and elsewhere and kick HIM in the gonads....TWICE!
Just why do you think that many airlines make having a degree a qualification for employment?........for the same reason that the Toronto Fire Department "upped" their necessary entrance qualifications to a BSc. Now why would they do something like that?.........to cut down on the massive amounts of in-coming applications for employment, that someone has to handle, and answer. TheOntario Department of Education had the exact same problem with teachers in NW Ontario who they hired to teach Kindegarten and Grade 1 students......so they also "upped" their qualifications to a Masters Degree. The result?........the amount of applications dropped waaaaay down and solved their problem right there. Now the kids in Kindergarten will be a lot smarter having a teacher with a Masters Degree teaching them how to add 1 + 1 than a teacher with Grade XII or Normal School training. That trick sir, has been part of Human Resources since the beginning of the profession and the airlines were just "late-comers" that's all.......but it worked for them too.
How old are you anyway boy? There was a "supposed" pilot shortage 45 years ago and if there wasn't one you could find an "impending pilot shortage" on the horizon somewhere. The pilot shortage usually gets higher the closer you get to the flying school's doors. They make their money that way and if nobody shows up at the door, then they don't have a business anymore.....so they're promoting their business like all good business people. The only time there's not been a "pilot shortage" was about 1940 -1942, when they couldn't "churn" them out fast enough. So if you want to know why the constant over abundence of pilots in proportion to the vacancies out there, then lay a whole large part of that at the feet of those that place stars in the eyes of prospective students about the "impending retirements", resulting in "impending shortages" and resulting in "impending" quick advancement to 6 figures if they are anywheres near competent. I've been waiting for the "impending pilot shortage" for 43 years and I even took the time-off to get a university degree in '86. That degree and $1.75 got me a "double, double" at Tim Horton's, but it didn't make jobs available where there weren't any. So you can start by going down to your local flying club that is pumping out a bunch of students now while others in the industry are trying to make ends meet and kick the first Instructor you see in the gonads.......then again, don't kick him at all....find the F'in owner that hands out that BS in the first place in his brochures and elsewhere and kick HIM in the gonads....TWICE!
Just why do you think that many airlines make having a degree a qualification for employment?........for the same reason that the Toronto Fire Department "upped" their necessary entrance qualifications to a BSc. Now why would they do something like that?.........to cut down on the massive amounts of in-coming applications for employment, that someone has to handle, and answer. TheOntario Department of Education had the exact same problem with teachers in NW Ontario who they hired to teach Kindegarten and Grade 1 students......so they also "upped" their qualifications to a Masters Degree. The result?........the amount of applications dropped waaaaay down and solved their problem right there. Now the kids in Kindergarten will be a lot smarter having a teacher with a Masters Degree teaching them how to add 1 + 1 than a teacher with Grade XII or Normal School training. That trick sir, has been part of Human Resources since the beginning of the profession and the airlines were just "late-comers" that's all.......but it worked for them too.
Wow. This guy is getting his dollars worth out of a fifty cent troll 
"FLY THE AIRPLANE"!
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I'm not so sure that its a matter of education level rather than professionalism. I had the opportunity to go to several universities throughout Canada and I instead chose an aviation college program. Does it make me less professional than the next guy?? University, college, high school education levels don't depict how good of a pilot someone is...I have no doubt that there a lot of great pilots out there with liitle to no education but are probably more professional then alot of guys with that BA.
Aside from the some good knowledge that anyone can get from a book, University only proves that you have the ability to learn. I would think that when your AC interview with many type ratings, thousands of hours of experience,years of safe flying, and solid references - that should also prove you have the ability to learn.
Cheers.
...Redwine, I couldn't have said it better myself.Redwine wrote: Enjoy life, stay fit, eat, drink and be merry! Life is what you make it...Some good years lie ahead for all of us. There will be some good hiring going on this summer, opening up quite a few doors. Good luck to all!
Cheers.
The feet you step on today might be attached to the ass you're kissing tomorrow.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
Right now in my hamlet and surrounding areas, there are a total of 76 students going for their Commercial Licenses. Anyone care to tell me where the 76 seats are for them to fill across Canada? Let's suppose that ALL have BSc's, Masters and Engineering Degrees..........will that fact make 76 positions available for JUST those from my community? If the industry ain't hiring enough to absorb all of them, then the industry ain't hiring period.
username, how will more education make anyone smarter? A buffoon with a university degree is still a buffoon. And i hope everyone realizes that any imbecile can get a university degree. I met many professors with doctorates who could not think their way out of a wet paper bag. And even in my program (no offense to the arts majors out there but i am talking about a world recognized science degree program) we had a few guys who could figure out the course material pretty well but when it came to thinking clearly unassisted or finding new solutions they simply did not have the brains.
In fact the guy from our class who is now making the most money is the one who managed to get through the program without really learning much, as he didn't care. He just wanted the piece of paper and then went on to get a communication's degree. He now waves the baton for two of the guys who graduated with him, and makes double what they do.
For all your fancy education, you still do not know the difference between a plural and a posessive, so how did it help you exactly?
In fact the guy from our class who is now making the most money is the one who managed to get through the program without really learning much, as he didn't care. He just wanted the piece of paper and then went on to get a communication's degree. He now waves the baton for two of the guys who graduated with him, and makes double what they do.
For all your fancy education, you still do not know the difference between a plural and a posessive, so how did it help you exactly?
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shithawk69
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shithawk69 ---since my post was the longest I'll assume that part of your reference included me also. I've been employed steadily in the civilian industry since 1968. I also did two years flying in the American Army. I have the time to post because besides flying I also broker a/c with a partner in London, England in the slow season and sometimes have to keep long hours because Australia isn't even on the same day as us.
I never would have replied at one time but after all these decades I'm tired of hearing the industry dragged through the mud for not having the amount of jobs available that some think there should be. Any industry can only absorb so many people and if there is a total and complete "disconnect" between those providing the training and those supplying the positions, then they better both be on the same frequency all the time. If there wasn't an over-abundance of pilots coming down the line, then the operators couldn't be playing "low-ball" with salaries because CP's wouldn't have that perverbial stack of resumes 12"" thick in their corner drawers. As it is, they're just like me....I'll get the best price I can get when I need something and if there isn't that many of the item around then I either do without, pay the going price or wait for cheaper to arrive someday. So slow down the damn production line and make the supply more scarce and you watch what happens to openings and salaries...........it's called Economics 100...."The Law of Supply and Demand". If you or someone else could explain how having a university degree will change that demand, then me and whole industry are waiting to hear and read about it. I got a university degree and it's what I can do on the flight deck during a check-out that's more important then any Degrees I have.
I never would have replied at one time but after all these decades I'm tired of hearing the industry dragged through the mud for not having the amount of jobs available that some think there should be. Any industry can only absorb so many people and if there is a total and complete "disconnect" between those providing the training and those supplying the positions, then they better both be on the same frequency all the time. If there wasn't an over-abundance of pilots coming down the line, then the operators couldn't be playing "low-ball" with salaries because CP's wouldn't have that perverbial stack of resumes 12"" thick in their corner drawers. As it is, they're just like me....I'll get the best price I can get when I need something and if there isn't that many of the item around then I either do without, pay the going price or wait for cheaper to arrive someday. So slow down the damn production line and make the supply more scarce and you watch what happens to openings and salaries...........it's called Economics 100...."The Law of Supply and Demand". If you or someone else could explain how having a university degree will change that demand, then me and whole industry are waiting to hear and read about it. I got a university degree and it's what I can do on the flight deck during a check-out that's more important then any Degrees I have.
