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What was the TC response?trey kule wrote:Look at how TC responded to this one, and ask yourselves if TC should not bear some responsability for putting pressure on pilots to cover up.
Yes! Totally agree.PanEuropean wrote:I agree with Fish4Life, the crew did the right thing by going back.
Mistakes happen, but at least this crew was honest enough to do the right thing as soon as they discovered the mistake.
This accident I'm quoting is beyond stupidity...The MA arrived at Nouakchott at 1202Z. The MC had diplomatic clearance to on-load 4000 liters of fuel. Although two fuel trucks arrived, the mishap pilots determined fuel was not necessary and the MAC decided not to refuel. The MA departed at 1229Z with a target passenger transfer time of 1430Z. This gave the MC two hours to reach a destination that was two hours and 35 minutes away (using a normal DHC-8/Q200 profile). The MC climbed to 24,000 feet (ft). During climbout the MC had indications of a fuel shortage. At 1323Z, the MC climbed to 25,000 ft. At 1341Z, 280 miles prior to Bamako, the MC began a descent. At 1435Z, 105 miles prior to Bamako, the MC leveled off at 6,000 ft. At 1452Z, the MAC directed the MCP to divert northeast to Kolokani, an airstrip 12 miles closer than Bamako. He also directed a gradual descent. At 1509Z, the #2 (right) engine shut down due to fuel exhaustion. At 1514Z, 29 seconds prior to impact, the #1 (left) engine began to shut down due to fuel exhaustion.
correction just the Dash 8 crews, metro's have much different style of checklistsJ31 wrote:I think the main reason TC was taking a hard look was the WHOLE company was doing this. That is...doing the before start checklist after shutdown and deferring the "fuel" part of it. Then using various reminders to check they had the proper fuel load for departure.
Thanks for clarifying.....it was my intention was to indicate that the TSB found that this practice was wide spread amongst the Dash 8 crews.fish4life wrote:correction just the Dash 8 crews, metro's have much different style of checklistsJ31 wrote:I think the main reason TC was taking a hard look was the WHOLE company was doing this. That is...doing the before start checklist after shutdown and deferring the "fuel" part of it. Then using various reminders to check they had the proper fuel load for departure.
Now do you think the crew just might have departed without the fuel to save time? I'm a little confused with the wording of the report. Did they depart with 2 hours fuel for a 2hr35min flight, or did they have 2 hours left in their duty day to fly 2hr35min flight??TG wrote:Yes! Totally agree.PanEuropean wrote:I agree with Fish4Life, the crew did the right thing by going back.
Mistakes happen, but at least this crew was honest enough to do the right thing as soon as they discovered the mistake.
Here is what happen when you screw up with your fuel and don't turn back or divert in time.
US military Dash-8 crash landed near Bamako, Mali in 2009 after fuel exhaustion.
http://usaf.aib.law.af.mil/DHC-8_Mali_19Nov09.pdfThe MA arrived at Nouakchott at 1202Z. The MC had diplomatic clearance to on-load 4000 liters of fuel. Although two fuel trucks arrived, the mishap pilots determined fuel was not necessary and the MAC decided not to refuel. The MA departed at 1229Z with a target passenger transfer time of 1430Z. This gave the MC two hours to reach a destination that was two hours and 35 minutes away (using a normal DHC-8/Q200 profile).
I stopped a few times there and Nouakchott was always one of the fastest turn around in West Africa, when we didn't have to overnight.nimbostratus wrote: I imagine they have improved since then...
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