Thomas Cook pass travel

[thrust set]

Have a question regarding stand-by pass travel on Air Canada while a pilot is operating Thomas Cook flights while employed at Jazz. The rumor is the passes are suspended till the pilot returns to flying AC code flights via the capacity purchase agreement (CPA).

I have a friend at Jazz, that he and I are in a wedding party at the end of Nov and was just wondering if he should start looking for a seat sale or risk using my passes and travel as my guest.

TS

[madcapmagition]

Last email I saw from corporate was that you still have passes to use for Jazz business and Personal Travel. If you are caught using your passes to get to a Thomas Cook flight for work, then you will loose your privileges. Basically, its all written in the Polices section on the employee website. Haven't heard of any temporary suspension of passes, but maybe that's only for pilots and F/A?

[thrust set]

So basically as long as you are not commuting to catch a Thomas Cook flight you are golden.

Thanks

[ChallengerDan]

So basically as long as you are not commuting to catch a Thomas Cook flight you are golden.

Thanks

Not exactly.

Catching a flight TC flight as a pax will not be a problem. Nothings stops you from hopping on a flight from say Halifax or Montreal to Toronto to then catch a WestJet Vacation or Transat flight.
What you are not allowed is commuting from Halifax or Montreal to then operate or get trained for the TC operation. The company then has to buy a seat for you, as this would be in violation of pass travel policies.

[fly4ever]

so this will only be a problem for pilots who commute and who fly the 757 as all other employees work CPA or can work CPA and TC.

[madcapmagition]

so this will only be a problem for pilots who commute and who fly the 757 as all other employees work CPA or can work CPA and TC.

close, its all situational. If said pilot was commuting to get to his/her base to go fly a Thomas cook flight, or for training then yes they would be in doodoo. if as a passenger you were flying to the base for a Thomas cook flight where you are also a passenger then your ok. As long as your not being paid to do a job that is in competition with Aircanada and its affiliates your ok. Once you do fly or commute to said job or training that is in competition against Aircanada then say goodbye to your passes if your caught.

Hope that makes sense.

[Localizer]

The pass policy restricts pass use for the purpose of business/profit .. that's it .. so if you want to get technical .. everyone that uses there passes for the purpose of commuting to/from work is in violation. (Air Canada pilots and Jazz pilots the like) The only variable is when the company decides to enforce this rule. (In this case .. selectively enforce it)

I see this as a bonus to Jazz pilots as the company made it clear that pilots would be allowed to use there passes for commuting to/from work (TC operation) .. seems to me they're on the hook to get pilots to/from work and all cost associated.

[prop2jet]

The pass policy restricts pass use for the purpose of business/profit .. that's it .. so if you want to get technical .. everyone that uses there passes for the purpose of commuting to/from work is in violation. (Air Canada pilots and Jazz pilots the like) The only variable is when the company decides to enforce this rule. (In this case .. selectively enforce it)

Not so Loc. AC allows the passes to be used for the purpose of commuting to work (for AC purposes) and it is spelled out in their pass policy. Dig a little deeper and you will see it is not selective.

The reality is that Jazz is no longer a subsidiary and there should be no expectations that what we have today we will have tomorow. Therefore, if one chooses to commute, one takes the risk that things may very well change. I highly doubt Jazz will foot the bill and pay for commuters that are operating TC flights, that opens a huge door. Bit by bit I see this TC venture turning into a captial flop.

[flyinhigh]

I highly doubt Jazz will foot the bill and pay for commuters that are operating TC flights, that opens a huge door. Bit by bit I see this TC venture turning into a captial flop.

I am sure you AC boys are hoping for that, anyone but us Jazz folks right?

Fack is, it is in writing that we are able to commute from the company, now this comes up. They want there flights to go, well they will have to foot the bill as I sure am not going to.

[rudder]

If ever there was a subject that should NOT be discussed on a public forum - this is it.

[prop2jet]

Flyinhigh, I don't work for AC. I am just pointing out the obvious. The fact is, and I am sure we can agree on this, the senior management of Jazz does not have the skillsets required to take Jazz beyond being a CPA provider to AC and it's handling of the TC contract last year is proof positive of this. This latest fiasco should have been expected, hence I am not surprised. I am a realist so I won't be surprised if further changes are coming...

[Mig29]

The pass policy restricts pass use for the purpose of business/profit .. that's it .. so if you want to get technical .. everyone that uses there passes for the purpose of commuting to/from work is in violation. (Air Canada pilots and Jazz pilots the like) The only variable is when the company decides to enforce this rule. (In this case .. selectively enforce it)

Not so Loc. AC allows the passes to be used for the purpose of commuting to work (for AC purposes) and it is spelled out in their pass policy. Dig a little deeper and you will see it is not selective.

The reality is that Jazz is no longer a subsidiary and there should be no expectations that what we have today we will have tomorow. Therefore, if one chooses to commute, one takes the risk that things may very well change. I highly doubt Jazz will foot the bill and pay for commuters that are operating TC flights, that opens a huge door. Bit by bit I see this TC venture turning into a captial flop.

I have to agree with prop2jet on this. If you actually read the policy guys, you will see that you are NOT (pilot, mechanic, f/a, sales agent) allowed to travel on AC personal passes for the purposes of working at another non-Air Canada job. Jazz employees are under CPA and therefore have no restrictions doing this for their job, as they are performing duties for Air Canada. This would be the same for Georgian and CMA guys, being tier 3 employees working under AC for AC.

As for TC, that is something totally different and I'm afraid it may cause a lot of headaches for Jazz...or at least it may just become an addition expense for Jazz buying seats for those commuters. That's all.