Top KHL Squad killed in Russian plane crash.

[Chaxterium]

This is crazy.

Imagine if this happened to an NHL team. Thoughts go out to the Lokomotiv hockey team.


http://rt.com/news/passenger-plane-russia-reports-005/

[coreydotcom]

from wikipedia don't know how reliable the roster is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:L ... avl_roster

Notables (in terms of players I have heard of who played in the NHL):

Pavol Demitra
Karel Rachunek
Ruslan Salei
Karlis Skrastins
Josef Vasicek

Very SAD - RIP

[sky's the limit]

Oh man... that's terrible news. RIP

stl

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

TUNOSHNA, Russia -- A Russian jet carrying a top hockey team crashed while taking off Wednesday in western Russia, killing 43 people and leaving two critically injured, officials said.

The Russian Emergency Situations Ministry said the Yak-42 crashed immediately after taking off from an airport near the city of Yaroslavl, on the Volga River, 240 kilometres northeast of Moscow.

The ministry said the plane was carrying 45 people, including 37 passengers and eight crew. All but two were killed in the crash.

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The ministry said the plane was carrying the Lokomotiv hockey team from Yaroslavl.

The team was heading to Minsk, the capital of Belarus, where it was to play Thursday against Dynamo Minsk in the opening game of the season of the Kontinental Hockey League.

The KHL is an international club league that pits together teams from Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Latvia and Slovakia.

Lokomotiv Yaroslavl is a leading force in Russian hockey and came third in the KHL last year. It's coached by Canadian Brad McCrimmon and includes several international stars in its ranks, such as Stefan Liv of Sweden and Czech Republic players Josef Vaicek and Jan Marek. Lokomotiv was a three-time Russian League champion in 1997, 2002 and 2003 and took the bronze last season.

Listen now: Blogger Dmitry Chesnokov discusses the crash on Sportsnet Radio FAN 590
It wasn't immediately clear which players were on board the Yak-42.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has sent his transport minister to the site of the crash, 15 kilometres east of Yaroslavl.

Former Montreal Canadien Brent Sopel, who is now playing in Russia, tweeted shortly after the crash: "In shock. Prayers out to all of the KHL families."

McCrimmon, 52, is a native of Saskatchewan. He played defence for six NHL teams -- Boston, Philadelphia, Calgary, Detroit, Hartford and Phoenix from 1979-80 to 1996-97.

He played 1,222 regular season games in the NHL, collecting 81 goals, 322 assists and 1,416 penalty minutes.

McCrimmon was an assistant coach with the New York Islanders, Calgary Flames, Atlanta Thrashers and Detroit Red Wings. He also served as head coach of the Western Hockey League's Saskatoon Blades.

The short- and medium-range Yak-42 has been in service since 1980 and dozens are still in service with Russian and other airlines.

In June, another Russian passenger jet crashed in the northwestern city of Petrozavodsk, killing 47 people. The crash of that Tu-134 plane has been blamed on pilot error.

President Dmitry Medvedev has announced plans to take aging Soviet-built planes out of service starting next year.

-- With files from The Canadian Press.

[cptn2016]

Terrible. Sounds like the plane was overweight and clipped a tower on take-off. Brutal, avoidable, completely unnecessary.

[aurora]

wrong power setting maybe? V1 cut? Bad fuel? Flaps on incorrect setting? runaway trim or incorrect setting? High density altitude? Control failure? Bird strike? Suicidal maniac(s)? Bombing?
Just brain storming.
Those birds have lots of power and fly overweight all the time without even knowing it due to the standard weights used. Never heard of a big airplane crashing due to being over max t/o weight as the sole cause.

[flyincanuck]

Are you kidding?

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politi ... rload.ashx

And if I spent more than 3 seconds on google I'm sure I could go on and on...

You have some learnin' to do pal...believe it or not, planes do crash from being overweight.

I'm not saying this is what happened to the Yak...just a reply to your deeply insightful comment above.

[Expat]

43 PAX in a 100+ seater? Overweight?

[aurora]

Are you kidding?

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politi ... rload.ashx

And if I spent more than 3 seconds on google I'm sure I could go on and on...

You have some learnin' to do pal...believe it or not, planes do crash from being overweight.

I'm not saying this is what happened to the Yak...just a reply to your deeply insightful comment above.

gfy? I've seen them crash from being overweight, I've seen lots of hulls too. Your post is a little condescending. Google that word.
I've never seen a case study of a big jet crashing for the sole reason of being overweight though , maybe you should keep the trolling to another forum?

[Big Pratt]

Imagine if this happened to an NHL team.

You have no idea how eerily close it came to be true in January of 2001...

BP

[cptn2016]

BP, care to elaborate? Is it public knowledge or do you have inside info?

[JMACK]

Imagine if this happened to an NHL team.

You have no idea how eerily close it came to be true in January of 2001...

BP

That sounds like an interesting story........can you tell us more.

J

[flyincanuck]

Classic...

@ aurora.

1. My post was to the point. Can't help if you're offended by it.
2. You qualify yourself in the "overweight" discussion in the General Forum as "barely having over 1000 hours", but have "heard it all".
3. You go on to admit you operate overweight - which is indicative of operating outside the limitations of your aircraft
4. You confuse me. You say you've seen them crash overweight, but have never read a report with over-weight being the sole cause? See the link where the 727 was 10 tonnes over weight and crashed.
5. Trolling? Who was the one that peppered this thread with possible causes without substantiative evidence?
6. There's etiquette. Generally it's frowned upon when people start hypothesizing the crash on the first thread. Start a new discussion. If this occurred to a Canadian crew you'd have a new orphus by now.

Good luck dude. Don't hurt yourself. And I mean that!

[flyincanuck]

And one last tip: instead of telling me to GFY, try it saying it to the person who's pushing you to operate like this. It ain't easy, and I've been there a few times. But this industry needs more pilots that hold their ground.

[aurora]

And one last tip: instead of telling me to GFY, try it saying it to the person who's pushing you to operate like this. It ain't easy, and I've been there a few times. But this industry needs more pilots that hold their ground.

You seem to lack the reading comprehension you claim to have and that's why I say you're trolling to illicit a negative response. Your post is condescending. Reread my first post, I defended the crew in it, saying it was far more likely to be a mechanical problem. I viewed the plate for that airport, its about a 3500ft runway or so, not much room to reject when you've got a problem. Also, if you reread my post in GD, it states to stand your ground. I take "granny gas" when I choose to, that doesn't qualify me as the jerk who tries to make everyone look bad to an employer by taking 200lbs extra cargo.
Back on topic please.

[cdnpilot77]

"Granny gas" and extra cargo are the same thing...if you take more gas, you have less room for pax or the freight which you are to fly. Legal is legal and illegal is illegal, this is very black and white no matter how you try to spin it.

[aurora]

"Granny gas" and extra cargo are the same thing...if you take more gas, you have less room for pax or the freight which you are to fly. Legal is legal and illegal is illegal, this is very black and white no matter how you try to spin it.

Didn't say it was legal.

[cdnpilot77]

"Granny gas" and extra cargo are the same thing...if you take more gas, you have less room for pax or the freight which you are to fly. Legal is legal and illegal is illegal, this is very black and white no matter how you try to spin it.

Didn't say it was legal.

So you knowingly, willingly and purposely fly in contravention of CARS...not to mention risking the lives and/or property of your customers? Why are we supposed to think this is a good idea and condone it? Why were you expecting to not get flamed for this stance? How much it too much over weight? Seems like the same question as how much is too much ice/frost/snow?

[rsandor]

A little off topic here guys, but don't confuse safety with legality. They don't always go hand in hand. The same goes for illegal and unsafe.. you can sometimes have one without the other.

[aurora]

Actually I fly at a 705 company with rampies, fuelers, and a crew more than 100 pilots deep. I run the numbers every day, every flight, and they always work, every time. If I'm ramp checked I will pass.
All I have to do though is look behind me at the 19 seats filled with people, and down at the paperwork that tells me they are 187lbs, and 152lbs a piece to realize I'm overweight. Not one of those females looks under 200lbs over the age of 20, and the males are on average about 250lbs (multiply that number by 19). Not to mention how the fuel gauge from every Captain I fly with routinely reads a couple hundred pounds over the flight plan (must be a gauge fluctuation or its just slightly out from the way the airplane sits on this incline).
Its not a hard concept.
I don't have to take "granny gas" anymore, but it saved my life more than once out in the bush that extra 50lbs or 100lbs.
Learning that standard weights have limitations to their functionality might serve you well.

[r22captain]

are you drinking today?

[r22captain]

I viewed the plate for that airport, its about a 3500ft runway or so,

The runway there is a few short of 10,000.

http://www.airport-data.com/world-airports/UUDL-IAR/

[flyincanuck]

Something went wrong with your quote. It was Aurora that "looked" up the rwy.

[r22captain]

my apologies
fixed

[Chuck Ellsworth]

I have not flown commercially in Canada for over fifteen years so I am sort out of the loop as far as 705 operations go in this country.

When did operators of 19 passenger airplanes start to operate their aircraft a thousand pounds over the gross allowable for the airplane and the crews think it is just fine?

[Clodhopper]

Aurora,

Your cavalier attitude towards flight safety, and blatant disregard for the CARs, makes me question how you've managed to advance to the point where you're at a 705 operation. For all intents and purposes, pilots are all human-factors accidents waiting to happen. The only thing we can do about it is minimize or eliminate the risks that are under our control. Knowingly introducing additional risks into your flying is completely unprofessional.

Not to mention that standard weights are approved by Transport Canada, with the caveat that if you know it is NOT an accurate representation of the passengers on board, the onus is on the flight crew (PIC to be precise) to determine the actual passenger weights to ensure W & B compliance.