Vancouver to Victoria (Jazz)
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Vancouver to Victoria (Jazz)
I find this quite an interesting route...could it be one of the shortest scheduled flights in the world? Looking on flight aware it shows that most flights are in the 10 minute range.
I will not be starting any IFR training for quite some time but I imagine it must be pretty busy getting out of YVR...and I would assume some approach instructions would be given almost right after takeoff?
Anyone ever been a passenger, or even more interesting, a pilot on this route? Or any other crazy short leg like this?
I will not be starting any IFR training for quite some time but I imagine it must be pretty busy getting out of YVR...and I would assume some approach instructions would be given almost right after takeoff?
Anyone ever been a passenger, or even more interesting, a pilot on this route? Or any other crazy short leg like this?
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Re: Vancouver to Victoria (Jazz)
We do CYXL-CYHD and CYTS-CYYU which are about 8 and 12 minutes each respectfully, often IFR with full approaches in a multi-turbine aircraft. It can and does get hectic sometimes but you can make things easier by having the CAP plates already out for the anticipated approach, and the radio and nav frequencies as your #2, so it's a simple switch rather than looking them up. After doing it a few times, there are a lot of tricks to minimize the amount of work to be done, even on really short flights by just planning ahead before you even leave the ground... something they don't teach you in flight school.
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I remember flying CYVR - CYYJ on what had to have been (I hope) a repositioning flight in 1980 on an Air Canada DC-8. Six passengers and obviously pretty good seat selection. 

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YTS to YYU in 12 minutes?!? Must be a record!!
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It's even more fun early in the am when YVR is quiet and you launch off 09 and land 08L in the RJ and it's IFR. We briefed the approach for YVR on the YYJ ramp before engine start.
Preparation is the key to success.
Mind you I did have practice in a metro going YST-YIV (8 nm). That's $ 0.40 before tax as an FO back then. Thank goodness for .99 draft at Bumpers. (I still have the dribbles from it)
Preparation is the key to success.
Mind you I did have practice in a metro going YST-YIV (8 nm). That's $ 0.40 before tax as an FO back then. Thank goodness for .99 draft at Bumpers. (I still have the dribbles from it)
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Yes very short route. What I found funny was watching the male flight attendant. The guy we had when we went to Vic on holidays was very misreable, this guy did not like his job, maybe he was layed off from Buffalo air and this was his only shot at Jazz. 

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Re: Vancouver to Victoria (Jazz)
YXL-YHD is 36nm. The Bear runs the Saab frequently on that route both IFR and VFR. I think Cree runs YFA-ZKE which is 6nm in all their equipment including the Dash-8. We've done it a few times in a twin piston and get close to logging .0 if it wasn't for the stage cool on the turbos.
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YYJ to YVR is an interesting route, but not surprisingly one with good demand (like the YYJ-YCD route) due to connections and the alternative "slow-boat to the Island" option.
Over on my side of the World we have the Bahrain - Dammam (Saudi Arabia) route which is 47nm. Typically served using A320's but I have also done it using an A340 (I wonder whether that made it the World's shortest scheduled route served by A340's?). Before the opening of the relatively new Dammam airport, the airline served Dhahran, which was only 26nm. They used Boeing 737's back then on that high-load flight.
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=YYJ- ... MAP-STYLE=
Over on my side of the World we have the Bahrain - Dammam (Saudi Arabia) route which is 47nm. Typically served using A320's but I have also done it using an A340 (I wonder whether that made it the World's shortest scheduled route served by A340's?). Before the opening of the relatively new Dammam airport, the airline served Dhahran, which was only 26nm. They used Boeing 737's back then on that high-load flight.
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=YYJ- ... MAP-STYLE=
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I thought YVR-YCD was closer was it not?
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Nanaimo is 14NM , Victoria (Sidney- CYYJ) is 27NM
Did a flight YVR-YCD on the F28 - 5min.. crew had so much fun doing I believe 11 different frequency changes during the flight.. earned their money on that flight!
Did a flight YVR-YCD on the F28 - 5min.. crew had so much fun doing I believe 11 different frequency changes during the flight.. earned their money on that flight!
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I checked it out and the world record for shortest scheduled passenger flight is Loganair 353 between Westray, Orkney Isles, Scotland, GB and Papa Westray, Scotland, GB a grand total of 1nm according to Great Circle Mapper. 2min in an Islander.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=wry+-+ppw&MS=wls&DU=nm
I do YYJ - YVR fairly regularly and if I can I get the arrival from clearance in YYJ and get the black box all setup and then if the weather is crap pull it right back to give time to get everything setup for the arrival. Also if you have an immediate return checklist it works well on such short trips.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=wry+-+ppw&MS=wls&DU=nm
I do YYJ - YVR fairly regularly and if I can I get the arrival from clearance in YYJ and get the black box all setup and then if the weather is crap pull it right back to give time to get everything setup for the arrival. Also if you have an immediate return checklist it works well on such short trips.
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Re: Vancouver to Victoria (Jazz)
Used to do the YVR-YYJ in a B757, pick up some pax then on to Hawaii. It`s all a matter of prep on the ground in YVR. No biggy.....
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Re: Vancouver to Victoria (Jazz)
Takeoff 25 cyxx landing 26L cyvr. Gear up... Gear down. Ferry flight 737-800
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Ya I remeber doing the YFA-ZKE route with Thunder on the King Air doing the sched. 6NM, don't even get a chance to leave the circuit!I think Cree runs YFA-ZKE which is 6nm in all their equipment including the Dash-8. We've done it a few times in a twin piston and get close to logging .0 if it wasn't for the stage cool on the turbos.
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yyz-ytz (11nm). Wasn't a sked run, but you can get it down to just a few minutes if they're using the 6's in YYZ.
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A few charter-sked hops of less than 30 seconds in the Maldives. 

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Howdy PJ....back when I was there, Dammam-Bahrain lost $4.0 million per year. However, the network contribution from long haul flow traffic, was $16.0 million. There are many examples of such short haul connectors that look profictable because they're full. But when you prorate the revenue across the entire journey's, you find that the short haul sector gets peanuts and the connecting flights get the bulk of the revenue. In the case of a non owned feeder, a special prorate agreement is always put in place to ensure the short haul carrier gets adequate compensation. When it's a company owned service, you just need to look at the overall network contribution while holding your nose.Panama Jack wrote: Over on my side of the World we have the Bahrain - Dammam (Saudi Arabia) route which is 47nm. Typically served using A320's but I have also done it using an A340 (I wonder whether that made it the World's shortest scheduled route served by A340's?). Before the opening of the relatively new Dammam airport, the airline served Dhahran, which was only 26nm. They used Boeing 737's back then on that high-load flight.

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Hey!!! I've done the same route in the same planes! Hydro guys in the back didn't even have time to open the donut's!~Hollywood~ wrote:Ya I remeber doing the YFA-ZKE route with Thunder on the King Air doing the sched. 6NM, don't even get a chance to leave the circuit!I think Cree runs YFA-ZKE which is 6nm in all their equipment including the Dash-8. We've done it a few times in a twin piston and get close to logging .0 if it wasn't for the stage cool on the turbos.
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CJT2 Matheson Island to CZTA Bloodvein. 10 nm. Used to leave the gear down because there was too much mud on it anywayzzzz!
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Re: Vancouver to Victoria (Jazz)
CYIV-CYST is 5nm. It is uncontrolled-ish (its a MF), but in uncontrolled airspace. That usually involvs the approach being loaded into the GPS and a full briefing given prior to departure. Its a quick one.
As for the YVR to YYJ, even on an IFR day, there still time to take a breath. Its not as busy as you'd think. The VFR days are great. Lots of time to look at the scenery.
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As for the YVR to YYJ, even on an IFR day, there still time to take a breath. Its not as busy as you'd think. The VFR days are great. Lots of time to look at the scenery.
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