Lie about race???

[SuperchargedRS]

I was just looking at a few posts in the employment section, I saw that B1900 FO gig, said all are welcome but first nations people are more welcome.

Now I have no desire for that job, but it got me to thinking, why not just lie on those applications and say you are first nations, or whatever race they want to hire.

What are they going to do, hire you then fire you due to race? Might also help these companies to have a little more diversity, maybe break down some of the issues they have with non-first nation people. Normally I just leave that box blank or check the "prefer not to respond" box.


So, thoughts on lying about race on an application???

[wirez]

Checking off the box that your a minority has no bearing on your application being placed higher than others.

[SuperchargedRS]

Checking off the box that your a minority has no bearing on your application being placed higher than others.

Probably should have posted the ad

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=76460

.... but to give preference to First Nation candidates....

[ahramin]

Wouldn't they ask to see your status card or something? It's like buying cigarettes no?

[flying4dollars]

I was just looking at a few posts in the employment section, I saw that B1900 FO gig, said all are welcome but first nations people are more welcome.

Now I have no desire for that job, but it got me to thinking, why not just lie on those applications and say you are first nations, or whatever race they want to hire.

What are they going to do, hire you then fire you due to race? Might also help these companies to have a little more diversity, maybe break down some of the issues they have with non-first nation people. Normally I just leave that box blank or check the "prefer not to respond" box.


So, thoughts on lying about race on an application???

I'm a little shocked that this question is being asked. I highlighted what stands out to me in your last sentence (among others).

[flyincanuck]

This blows my mind. I started a topic a few months ago about this (and how making a statement like this is even legal). The thread was subsequently removed. Oh Canada, the great democracy.

Lying about race? C'mon man. To answer one of your questions: yes. I'm sure they'd fire you if they found out you falsified information. And so they should.

[Les Habitants]

Go ahead, lie, but expect to get the pink slip when they find out you lied.

It's not so much that you aren't a minority, it's a principal. Why do you think so many good people are being PFO'd from AC?

[snap-roll]

Trust me, lying does not pay off!

[SuperchargedRS]

I was just looking at a few posts in the employment section, I saw that B1900 FO gig, said all are welcome but first nations people are more welcome.

Now I have no desire for that job, but it got me to thinking, why not just lie on those applications and say you are first nations, or whatever race they want to hire.

What are they going to do, hire you then fire you due to race? Might also help these companies to have a little more diversity, maybe break down some of the issues they have with non-first nation people. Normally I just leave that box blank or check the "prefer not to respond" box.


So, thoughts on lying about race on an application???

I'm a little shocked that this question is being asked. I highlighted what stands out to me in your last sentence (among others).

Im a little shocked about what you put in bold, I'll edit it for you, so the SERIOUS issue is in bold

So, thoughts on lying about race on an application???

I dont lie, not to mention this situation would never be a issue for me, as I dont like to work with bigots and racists.

THE BIG ISSUE IS If an employer asks a bullshit question on your application, why is it bad if the applicant gives a bullshit answer???

And what would it say on the pink slip, fired for being white? or fired for lying about not being white?

[AEROBAT]

I was visiting my daughter in California a few years ago and her neibour, Garth,was over having a beer with us. The conversation got around to hiring by racial quota. Garth had quite the interesting story.

He had applied to the fire department for a job but had been turned down as they were looking to fill minority quotas. He went back a few months later and filled in a new application and ticked off the box that said african-american decent.

A while later he got a phone call to come in for an interview. When the interviewer exclaimed he did not look very black [blue eyes and light brown hair] Garth showed him his birth certificate. He was born in Rhodesia. He was hired.

[trey kule]

Let me see if I understand the big issue, of which you speak. If an employer puts in an ad, something that you think is BS, it justifies you to lie to them..Yeah, I can see the rationale behind that.
First one jerk (according to your opinion), and now two...
Except that the second one is a big fat liar, and when/if they are found out , they most likely will get treated as big fat liars should be treated...pants fire extinguished and then the boot.....
Now explain that to your next potential employer...."Yah,,, I did not like what I felt was racial bias so I lied on my job application"......potential employer now glancing at the resume in front of them......" it states here you have had no accidents and have the required time on type......can you confirm that as true?"
HR person is looking around for a waste basket and a way to quickly end the interview, as getting first dibs on the donuts has become more of a priority than talking to this candidate.

You may not like what a company has done, but the response says much about yourself. Forget them, and move on.
Quota hiring, from what I have read over the years, is very short sighted, and ultimately not usually very successful (police forces are the exception, to some extent)

[SuperchargedRS]

Let me see if I understand the big issue, of which you speak. If an employer puts in an ad, something that you think is BS, it justifies you to lie to them..Yeah, I can see the rationale behind that.

uhhhhhhh yea, I think it is BS, AND I would also wager most people in the world think racism is BS (to put it mildly)

and to DISCRIMINATE based off of RACE is unacceptable

I should be able to check any race box I feel like and it should not matter, better yet loose the race box

the response says much about yourself.

Damn straight

[thirdtimecharm]

You should also claim to be a German citizen while applying for a job at Sunwing.

[Darkwing Duck]

It just jerks my chain that any company should have on the application asking if you are of a visible minority. A person should be hired based on character and qualifications, not on race. This is discrimination in and of itself, no? As far as I am concerned it should be taken to the human rights commission.

[P180]

Single male white guy need not apply.And thats what us Canadians are letting our government do to us.My son has tried to get on with the RCMP and was told not to waist there time .He,s a single male white guy born in Canada..WAKE UP CANADA

[thirdtimecharm]

It just jerks my chain that any company should have on the application asking if you are of a visible minority. A person should be hired based on character and qualifications, not on race. This is discrimination in and of itself, no? As far as I am concerned it should be taken to the human rights commission.

It was the human rights commission that led to statements like this being put in job ads.

[Old Dog Flying]

P180: My son got the same responce when he applied for a job with Canada Border Services...White..Male...Canadian...piss off we're only hiring female immigrants!

[fingersmac]

Wasaya is perfectly within their right to give preference to First Nations or Aboriginal candidates.

It is not a discriminatory practice for an employer to give preferential treatment to Aboriginal persons in hiring, promotion or other aspects of employment, when the primary purpose of the employer is to serve the needs of Aboriginal people.

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_pol ... t-eng.aspx


That said, in the four years I worked there, I don't recall one First Nations pilot hired during that time. Plenty of English-speaking, caucasian males though... probably 95% of those employed while I was there. You guys are making a huge deal about nothing.

[SuperchargedRS]

Wasaya is perfectly within their right to give preference to First Nations or Aboriginal candidates.

It is not a discriminatory practice for an employer to give preferential treatment to Aboriginal persons in hiring, promotion or other aspects of employment, when the primary purpose of the employer is to serve the needs of Aboriginal people.

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_pol ... t-eng.aspx


That said, in the four years I worked there, I don't recall one First Nations pilot hired during that time. Plenty of English-speaking, caucasian males though... probably 95% of those employed while I was there. You guys are making a huge deal about nothing.

Govt' sanctioned racism, that's pathetic

[dash8dave]

Terminology of First Nations, Native, Aboriginal and Metis (NAHO Glossary & Terms)

FIRST NATION(S) The term First Nations came into common usage in the 1970s to replace band or Indian, which some people found offensive (see Indian). Despite its widespread use, there is no legal definition for this term in Canada.

I was born here, my parents were born here so I guess that means that I can be considered a First nations person. I want preferential treatment. BTW how can you lie about race??? Are you human??? Then you belong to the "human race" Discriminate about ethnicity not race. I am so tired of hearing about racism.

[SuperchargedRS]

I am so tired of hearing about racism.

Think most folks are, why dont you tell her

Kerry Wabange
Recruitment and Retention Coordinator
Wasaya Airways LP
300 Anemki Place, Suite B
Thunder Bay, ON P7J 1H9
Fax: (807) 475-9681
Email: careers@wasaya.com

[Doc]

On the subject of "minorities", less than 3% of the world population are red heads. Yup. If you're a "ginger" you are a minority! You are way outnumbered by aboriginals, blacks, or for that matter, ANY other so called "minority" in this country. Take a long hard suck on that simple fact!

[flying4dollars]

So, thoughts on lying about race on an application???

I'm a little shocked that this question is being asked. I highlighted what stands out to me in your last sentence (among others).

Im a little shocked about what you put in bold, I'll edit it for you, so the SERIOUS issue is in bold

So, thoughts on lying about race on an application???

I dont lie, not to mention this situation would never be a issue for me, as I dont like to work with bigots and racists.

THE BIG ISSUE IS If an employer asks a bullshit question on your application, why is it bad if the applicant gives a bullshit answer???

And what would it say on the pink slip, fired for being white? or fired for lying about not being white?

Doesn't matter what you put between what I bolded. "So, thoughts on lying about ______ on an application". Does it really matter what word you insert? The point is, lying on a resume about anything is never a good idea, and I was a little shocked to see that you seemed to portray the notion that it's okay to do it because you feel it's a bs question. Not criticizing you, just surprised by this post.

[just curious]

Since the company in question is first-nations owned, and a small percentage of it's training is funded under a first-nations skills development program, it is a question they must ask.
At present there are few first-nations pilots meeting these qualifications who are not working.
You might get an interview, but there are a zillion small tells that would reveal that you are not first nations aside from the obvious genetic signs

You could expect to be walked out the front door.

This is not a route that you would be advised to take.

[trey kule]

JC..So well, and nicely put.

And I must make clear my error in posting. When I read the title of the thread and the OP, it appeared to me that what the post was suggesting was that because a company did something, it was acceptable to lie to them.

Maybe the thread drifted. If I may add to JC's comments , they do not say they will hire less qualified people, only that preference will be given them. I think that is fair enough. It is legal to state that and may be better than tossing a coin, as we sometimes have to do.

But none of that really justifies putting a lie on a resume...It is apples and oranges. And I dont think I am in the minority here when I say I would rather work for a company that was upfront with any preferential hiring practices than a pilot who will lie on his resume. what else can he justify lying about? Bend the plane a little and not tell anyone because he preceives something about his employer.
Who knows.