Over / Under ICAO rule

[lawndart]

Does anyone have a link, or can post, the actual ICAO section relating to the over/under 60 rule?

[777longhaul]

Try this, I have not gone to the link.

In November, 2006, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) revised the maximum age for certain pilots in international operations from age 60 to age 65. Until 12/13/07, the United States, an ICAO member state, limited its pilots operating under Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (14 CFR) part 121 to age 60. Now those pilots may continue until age 65, as specified in the Act.
The exact language of the Act can be downloaded at the following public website:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... 35.110.pdf

[lawndart]

Thanks for the link.

It shows the change in FAA regs that allowed flying past 60. It references the ICAO rules and guidance (including putting a sunset clause on any age limitation in the USA, should the ICAO rule change), but doesn't actually have the ICAO rule in there.

Since there seems to be a fair bit of discussion around the two ICAO rules, I thought it might be useful for people to be able to read the original documents themselves, rather than have to rely on interpretation and third party sources.

Anyone else?

[ahramin]

Annex 1 – Personnel Licensing
2.1.10 Limitation of privileges of pilots who have attained their 60th birthday and curtailment of privileges of pilots who have attained their 65th birthday
2.1.10.1 A Contracting State, having issued pilot licences, shall not permit the holders thereof to act as pilot-in-command of an aircraft engaged in international commercial air transport operations if the licence holders have attained their 60th birthday or, in the case of operations with more than one pilot where the other pilot is younger than 60 years of age, their 65th birthday.
2.1.10.2 Recommendation. – A Contracting State, having issued pilot licences, should not permit the holders thereof to act as co-pilot of an aircraft engaged in international commercial air transport operations if the licence holders have attained their 65th birthday.
Note.– Attention is drawn to 1.2.5.2.3 on the validity period of Medical Assessments for pilots over the age of 60 who are engaged in commercial air transport operations.

[accumulous]

Annex 1 – Personnel Licensing
2.1.10 Limitation of privileges of pilots who have attained their 60th birthday and curtailment of privileges of pilots who have attained their 65th birthday
2.1.10.1 A Contracting State, having issued pilot licences, shall not permit the holders thereof to act as pilot-in-command of an aircraft engaged in international commercial air transport operations if the licence holders have attained their 60th birthday or, in the case of operations with more than one pilot where the other pilot is younger than 60 years of age, their 65th birthday.
2.1.10.2 Recommendation. – A Contracting State, having issued pilot licences, should not permit the holders thereof to act as co-pilot of an aircraft engaged in international commercial air transport operations if the licence holders have attained their 65th birthday.
Note.– Attention is drawn to 1.2.5.2.3 on the validity period of Medical Assessments for pilots over the age of 60 who are engaged in commercial air transport operations.

And a little further down,

"For co-pilots, since paragraph 2.1.10.2 is a Recommendation, not a Standard, the upper age limit is set by the national Licensing Authority which can choose to impose any national age limit on the licenses it issues, as there are no international restrictions based on age for co-pilots."

In our case the National Licensing Authority is Transport Canada, the name that appears on our licenses, and it has established no age limits for pilots. That's why you can be a Transport Category Captain at any age for carriers like Air North and those others that have Captains over 65 flying domestically in Canada, and there are no age limits whatsoever for licensing for co-pilots flying internationally.

[vic777]

2.1.10.1 A Contracting State, having issued pilot licences, shall not permit the holders thereof to act as pilot-in-command of an aircraft engaged in international commercial air transport operations if the licence holders have attained their 60th birthday ...

Of course we all know that Air Canada as well as probably every other International Airline has violated this suggestion several times a month for the past thirty years and more ....

[ahramin]

And a little further down,

"For co-pilots, since paragraph 2.1.10.2 is a Recommendation, not a Standard, the upper age limit is set by the national Licensing Authority which can choose to impose any national age limit on the licenses it issues, as there are no international restrictions based on age for co-pilots."

In our case the National Licensing Authority is Transport Canada, the name that appears on our licenses, and it has established no age limits for pilots. That's why you can be a Transport Category Captain at any age for carriers like Air North and those others that have Captains over 65 flying domestically in Canada, and there are no age limits whatsoever for licensing for co-pilots flying internationally.

United Nations Legal Order

ICAO recommendations come in the form of recommended practices adopted by the Council. Although they are by definition somewhere below ICAO international standards on the spectrum running from legal obligation to non-obligation, in ICAO practice they are often lumped together with standards. The package is collectively known as SARPs (standards and recommended practices). A former ICAO Senior Legal Officer has said that there is “a certain expectation of compliance” with recommended practices.