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wrenchingirl · Post by **wrenchingirl** » Sun May 08, 2005 8:17 am

Does being a women make it harder, easier or the same to find work and is working up north out of the question?

BusDriver · Post by **BusDriver** » Sun May 08, 2005 11:24 am

All depends on your personality, and the people doing the hiring. Personally, I have worked with a bunch of women AME's. One was even a crew chief, great engineer although emotional at times. Others have been complete twit's, putting on an act to be like the guy's. I don't think your sex determines how good of an AME you are, being accepted by your coworkers for being yourself is far more important. There are lot's of companies that hire women and some that just won't. Working up north shouldn't be a problem either, I know several that started out in the north. Hope that helps a bit.

planeguy · Post by **planeguy** » Sun May 08, 2005 9:52 pm

this should be a good one...

phillyfan · Post by **phillyfan** » Mon May 09, 2005 2:03 pm

Thanks for answering fluck, your input is very much appreciated. I was a little worried that attitudes hadn't changed much up north since thats where id like to go after school.

****OOPS!! the computer seems to have logged me on as phillyfan by accident.... this was ment to be a response by Wrenchingirl!***

phillyfan is my husband's screen name...

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Mon May 09, 2005 6:50 pm

I knew/worked with a women AME who finally got canned from Sunwest for playing the sexist card to many times. But, WOW! did she ever wear tight pants!!!..mmmm

//name removed by Sulako

Pat Richard · Post by **Pat Richard** » Mon May 09, 2005 8:22 pm

While attending school at NLC, there were 3 females who did the same(sexist angles) against the faculty and their classmates.

There was/is the same scenario at KFC, with a certain female ame also.
Most, if not all, can't stand her. Like's to play the angle when she felt like it, cause she usually talked like a sailor, but had issues when MEN did. It also helped her out that the HR head is a she. Always had someone to cry to. And I do mean cry.

Don;t understand why they get into it, and then proceed to screw themselves.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Tue May 10, 2005 8:32 am

We've had three women engineers up here, and one at the Helo company across the hangar. All of them came in to work, did their job and went home. They were friendly without flirtaciousness, knowledgable, and useful around the shop.

They at least never stole my coffee mug, and left it in an obscure corner of the hangar filled with mold.

There is pretty much nothing North of us.

ottopilot · Post by **ottopilot** » Tue May 10, 2005 3:13 pm

Female AME????
isn't that a flight attendant???
Just kidding,

No but seriously, it really depends on the company and past experience of the person doing the hiring. I've worked with one Female AME who was very cute. She did her job very well and went home. And I have heard of bad experiences with females and males so it really depends on the person. I'll put it to ya this way if i had to work next to Big Joe Asscrack or Sweet Susie Someone...... Guess who i'd pick!!
(assuming they worked the same)

planeguy · Post by **planeguy** » Tue May 10, 2005 8:16 pm

my turn. i worked with this female AME and she was one of the brightest, and most standard-driven AME's. She knew a ton about aerocrafts and her attitude was positive. Being a female can be a setback because of obvious shovenistic attitudes. Nonetheless, it can also be an advantage if the DOM is a perv. Mrahaha. Anyways the chick that I worked was (and hopefully still is) a great AME, even though she left the radios on overnight so the airplanes could listen to music (NO LIE). Having some gender diversity would be nice in the field because a lot of the insecure bloated fishhead chiefs would not be able to take criticism or correction from someone of another gender and hopefully would eventually leave the industry. You know who you are! I'm a guy who is pro-women. I mean damn, if i was a female, I'd be a lesbian for sure!!!

wrenchturner · Post by **wrenchturner** » Tue May 10, 2005 11:54 pm

I really hope some of these replies haven't scared you off. I've seen both sides in the past, some women who constantly played the gender card and had no business in the industry, and also a couple women were among the best people I've ever worked with. A lot of it does have to do with you and your personality, but in the end it will come down to the company you work for and the people you work with. A lot of the old-timers still think of this as a man's industry, and no matter how good you are, you can't impress them. I've also heard a DOM say he wouldn't hire a woman because she'd be too distracting. I personally don't agree with those attitudes and if you can do a good job that's all that matters. As far as the north goes, it might be a bit tougher but there's no reason why it shouldn't be possible. Best of luck to you, hope it works out for you.

J.P.WISER · Post by **J.P.WISER** » Wed May 11, 2005 9:32 am

The only down side that I have seen is pysical strength issues. Where a female AME didn't have the power to torque lets say a main wheel on to an axle. But for the most part they can and will do everything else so why not. The one's that play the cards of I'm a girl, can stay home thought there no place for that and most of the guys pick up on it then they will chew that poor girl up.

chubbee · Post by **chubbee** » Wed May 11, 2005 1:26 pm

I've had no bad experiences with any of the female AME's I have worked with except for one who hurt my pride by out drinkin me at the bar, she was a tiny little Quebecois at that. Most big strong men who can super torque stuff can also break more stuff and can't fit in hell holes and tailcones or under the dash like a 100lb female can. Female AME's work for me.

Pat Richard · Post by **Pat Richard** » Wed May 11, 2005 7:54 pm

I guess I've been unlucky, since none of the one's I was talking about were either particularly good mechs, or cute.

One exception, and she was not part of the above mentioned, was a tire girl at KFC. She was downright dangerous. I mean summer would come around, she would take to wearing tank tops, with her covvies' tied around her waste..... guys would walk into sh1t, stop talking mid sentence, forget where the hell they were, etc. Production suffered noticeably, specially when she took to jogging back n' forth to the tire shop. Brutal

I almost felt bad taking a pay check.......

benchmark · Post by **benchmark** » Thu May 12, 2005 8:41 am

my experiences with female ame's have been entirely negative thus far. playing the gender angle when problems arise, talking non-stop, and productivity suffering due to attire have been issues. i'm not the only person to experience this, so breaking into the industry may be somewhat difficult for you, wrenchingirl. however, once you have proven yourself out there, there will always be a job for you somewhere! good luck.

roscoe · Post by **roscoe** » Tue May 17, 2005 8:39 am

An A.M.E. is sort of like an old west gunslinger; you have to make your reputation, and then maintain it. As has been previously posted, some female A.M.E.s and machanics have abused the gender thing. My own experience has it both ways, some are great, some are not, just like male A.M.E.s (Strange how that works Hmmm.)
If you do your job properly, with attention to detail, enthusiasim, and dedication, you'll make it anywhere you choose to work!

FREEFALL · Post by **FREEFALL** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:00 am

Every profession has this problem with men and women working together. You get the woman that do their job and go home. And you get the woman that play the sexist card lots. My problem is professions like fire fighters. There should be set standards that are equal for men and woman. If I'm caught in a fire, I want to know that the woman can lift me if need be, none of this reduced standards bull.

fmrc3ame · Post by **fmrc3ame** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:27 am

What issue should gender have to do with the job performed. You should base merit on the ability to do the job. I've come across some male AME's are who are downright dangerous as well. Me personally I'd rather work with a competent AME than a gunslinger who shoots from the hip.

plainfixer · Post by **plainfixer** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:17 am

fmrc3ame
Are you talking about those AME's who always talk about themselves and the jobs they have personally done in the past?
You know, the guys who do not know how to trouble shoot and just start replacing components 'to see' if that was the problem? (shot gun maintenance)
All of the women AME's I have worked with over the years were very, very good at their jobs. Sometimes their height became an issue but the ability to lift weights was not.
I'd rather have females on my crew because their eye for detail is way better than some of the current members, not to mention the time frame in which tasks get completed is much shorter.

fmrc3ame · Post by **fmrc3ame** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:47 pm

[quote="plainfixer"]fmrc3ame
Are you talking about those AME's who always talk about themselves and the jobs they have personally done in the past?
You know, the guys who do not know how to trouble shoot and just start replacing components 'to see' if that was the problem? (shot gun maintenance)

Yes those are some of them but then there is the "Button" pushers. You know the ones who wanted to see how something worked. I've walked onto airplanes with the "Rubber Jungle" in the pax cabin and an "E" licensed guy in the flight deck saying I didn't touch anything. The point here is that he denied doing anything yet he was the only one on the aircraft and switches (buttons) don't move by themselves. These are the dangerous ones. You know them and have probably worked with one who has no clue what he is doing but is full of himself. Ignorance has no place in aviation. I respect a person who admits they made a mistake and owns up to it, just as long as they learned from it. Sorry for the rant but my feelings aside I still believe that Gender doesn't determine an AME's ability.

goldeneagle_53 · Post by **goldeneagle_53** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:50 am

The same as inany other typical male profession. The sex does not decide what skills you have but can strongly influence a team's flair. Most women must feel uncomfortable working along with wrench twisting guys because they try so hard to act like guys too. If they can feel comfortable about themselfes then if will show. Frankly, guys don't like tomboys and would respect women much easier if the act like women.

jetleg · Post by **jetleg** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:46 pm

I have worked with some weoman that worked harder then anyone else just to get the job done and did excelent work. on the othe hand i have worked with a girl who came to wrok in her coveralls and high heels(not lieing) she would get other guys to do her work and enev go for lunch withe the boss a few times, you know for 2 hours. my advise is if there is girls out there still like that then it is deffinatly gonna be hardder for you to be excepted, but if you work hard and have a good attitude, you waont have a problem. Oh and do not be scared to get dirty.

wrenchingirl · Post by **wrenchingirl** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:58 pm

Thank you everyone for your insight. So far, my experience in the school enviornment has been extremely positive and hopefully this is a good indication of what I will encounter in the working world.

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