Carson Air Ad

[Doc]

Training bond for either 16K or 23K? Yet another pitiful operation milking money from poor dumb pilots. Line forms at the rear. If you can realistically apply as a BE350 skipper, you can do far better than be on the hook for twenty-three thousand dollars!!! THINK people!

[trey kule]

Interesting comment Doc. I went and read their ad...I have to wonder how many pilots who meet their Captain's qualifications wouuld be willing to sign a bond?
If there is a line up,it tells us that the sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in is not going to change.

And why would a pilot with those qualifications, and time on type be changing companies AND be willing to sign a bond?

It really does not make sense.

[Conquest Driver]

I think the ad doesn't require a bond if you're already type rated.

[Krashman]

I find it interesting how they'll tell you up front how much the bond is but they won't tell you the pay to expect.

[Naveed]

$17,500 was the bill I saw from flight safety for a 75 hour initial 350 type. The extra must be to get the room upgrade to a double bed.

[Doc]

$17,500 was the bill I saw from flight safety for a 75 hour initial 350 type. The extra must be to get the room upgrade to a double bed.

I don't give a rat's ass what the "bill" from FSI is, the pilot shouldn't be paying for it. You DO get that?

[Naveed]

I don't give a rat's ass what the "bill" from FSI is, the pilot shouldn't be paying for it. You DO get that?

Well yes, I never paid, nor would I, I'm merly adding to the ridiculousness that there is even a discrepancy in the price, on top of a captains bond.

[ClevelandSteamer]

Well, It could always be worse, you could be hired with a current 200 rating by Airbone and still be asked to sign a 14K bond for recurrent training just cause its, "how we do things".

[Krashman]

Well, It could always be worse, you could be hired with a current 200 rating by Airbone and still be asked to sign a 14K bond for recurrent training just cause its, "how we do things".

What a load... that company sure has gone downhill since the new management came in. Go across the street to Can-West I think they're looking for 200 captain with some experience on type. No bonds there!

[Just another canuck]

Well, It could always be worse, you could be hired with a current 200 rating by Airbone and still be asked to sign a 14K bond for recurrent training just cause its, "how we do things".

They called me to fly their Van a few years ago... I was told I would fly on a PCC until they felt I was "right for the job", then they would send me to Flight Safety for which I would sign a bond for the cost of FSI plus all other expenses. The estimate was around 16,000 dollars. What a f***in' joke!!

I have no problem with a bond pro-rated over one year for the training costs, not two years from the date you decide you like me for double the actual cost.

[Doc]

Well, It could always be worse, you could be hired with a current 200 rating by Airbone and still be asked to sign a 14K bond for recurrent training just cause its, "how we do things".

They called me to fly their Van a few years ago... I was told I would fly on a PCC until they felt I was "right for the job", then they would send me to Flight Safety for which I would sign a bond for the cost of FSI plus all other expenses. The estimate was around 16,000 dollars. What a f***in' joke!!

I have no problem with a bond pro-rated over one year for the training costs, not two years from the date you decide you like me for double the actual cost.

You'd have to be a total moron to sign a bond for an airplane on which you were qualified??????

JAC.....isn't that a freighter job? If so, you don't even need FSI?

[Just another canuck]

You'd have to be a total moron to sign a bond for an airplane on which you were qualified??????

JAC.....isn't that a freighter job? If so, you don't even need FSI?

Yes, I believe it was a freighter job but you may also carry other airborne employees at times, in which case you still don't need FSI, right? Anyway, the whole thing just seemed wrong. I was asked to move to Edmonton for a few months to fly on a PCC, then if I "worked out", would be sent to Flight Safety for a ridiculously hight bond total and then move up to Peace River (I think). Imagine trying to find a place in Edmonton for just 3 months, then having to move up to Peace River, all on your own dollar.

[Doc]

You're correct. You do not need FSI etc., to fly company employees. Or freight. Me sees a money grab..... Don't go there gf!

[howzat]

I remember once hearing someone say that they would rather stab themselves in the eye with a rusty screwdriver than work for Carson !!

[Doc]

Bet they have at least 50 applications, though. Most with 23K, they've "borrowed" from Daddy....."Daddy, I need more bond money..."

[Les Habitants]

Bet they have at least 50 applications, though. Most with 23K, they've "borrowed" from Daddy....."Daddy, I need more bond money..."

So maybe the scourge of aviation is daddy's fault

Maybe we're just spoiled!

[Hornblower]

Training bond for either 16K or 23K? Yet another pitiful operation milking money from poor dumb pilots. Line forms at the rear. If you can realistically apply as a BE350 skipper, you can do far better than be on the hook for twenty-three thousand dollars!!! THINK people!

Ya, ... like I almost never agree with Doc, like he is a buffoon or something and can't find it in me to agree with him even if he is slightly right (which isn't often) ... like CID, (... have a policy disagreeing with that retard regardless of his position on an issue) ... hate Doc’s message methodology ... appears to be extremely biased for other than altruistic purposes, yet here I find myself strangely in agreement with him on this one ... maybe the first time ever. Shit ... I need a drink! I mean really — 16K for a King Air rating and a year of indentured servitude ... not seriously.

[freakonature]

I think this contract is coming up for renewal soon?

[altiplano]

Not saying that it's right, but for the sake of clarification. You don't give Carson any money. Just sign that you'll stay for 2 years. If you leave they'll ask you for a prorated repayment. Still sucks but different than cash up front.

[Krashman]

The problem really is pilots making sideways moves, the whole 'the grass is greener on the other side' mentality.

Not to say every pilot is like that but it only takes a few bad apples to ruin the bunch. Just this week we had a guy announce he was leaving in two weeks to fly the exact same aircraft in the exact same configuration. Why? I asked... this was the reasoning' It'll will be WAY better working for xxxxxxx air charters. '

How long was this pilot typed on our aircraft (which he had no experience on before).... 5 months.... THAT is the problem... now I do admit the training costs in house for this twin engine turbine AC is not 16k but still a few dollars.

This discussion has been had several times so I'll leave it at that.

[SSA]

As far as medevac gigs go. this one isn't that bad. people that work there are good, and the kelowna base is 5 on 5 off, no night shift and yes there is a bond, but as mentioned no money up front, and is prorated over the time your work there. pay is 55k to start with annual raises

[jrbloatedfish]

As far as medevac gigs go. this one isn't that bad. people that work there are good, and the kelowna base is 5 on 5 off, no night shift and yes there is a bond, but as mentioned no money up front, and is prorated over the time your work there. pay is 55k to start with annual raises

What are the benefits like? Does Carson pay overtime? Call in fees for coming in on your days off? What are the daily per diems on the 350?

[co-joe]

Well, It could always be worse, you could be hired with a current 200 rating by Airbone and still be asked to sign a 14K bond for recurrent training just cause its, "how we do things".

That's the funniest typo I've seen in a while.

AirBone! I'm going to call them that from now on.

[human garbage]

I remember once hearing someone say that they would rather stab themselves in the eye with a rusty screwdriver than work for Carson !!

Hahaha!

Reminds me of a strange scene once. Walked into the FBO and there is a guy sitting on the couch bawling like a little girl with a skinned knee. I walked up to the fueller standing by the desk looking at him and asked 'Whats up with that guy?'. Fueller said 'he just got the call from Jazz'. I said 'then why is he crying? Most pilots would love to get that call'. The fueller laughed and said 'no man you don't understand, those are tears of gratitude'. I replied 'wow, he must work for a real shitty outfit to get that emotional about it'. The fueller said 'Yeah he does... He flies for Carson'.

I think this contract is coming up for renewal soon?

I've heard Feb. 1...

[wallypilot]

If that guy was a metro pilot at Carson, I'd totally understand. The medevac gig is not bad, though. Different can o worms, and much more tolerable. I think turbo-prop contract is secure with Carson. BCAS is pretty happy with them.