Looking for a ferry pilot PA30

[High Flyin]

I'm looking for someone current on a Piper Twin Comanche to ferry the aircraft from Cornwall to Ottawa. Please PM if interested.

[WestCoastPilot]

What about that kid who low-balled everyone a year and a half ago and flew the Cub from the Yukon to Quebec for McDonalds meals. I think he's flying up north in QC - might search this forum as he posts here and see if he can do it. The price will certainly be right with him!

[1000 HP]

It's not far, you could probably taxi it late at night.

[Bronco Billy]

pm sent

[Colonel Sanders]

Guys - it can't be more than 50 nm, or less than 20 minutes
of multi-engine PIC at 160 knots. Maybe 0.5 with taxi time
at both ends.

Try to keep your pants on

[Bronco Billy]

Im not proposing it to build twin time dont worry

[Doc]

I'm curious as to why you'd need somebody to fly this epic cross country for you? If it were YOW to, say Sydney Australia, I could see it.

[rapid602]

Flying this aircraft is pretty much a non event, so if you have no twin time why can't you go to a flying school in YOW and get an instructor there qualified to fly twins to fly it. There must be 500 people in YOW qualified to do this trip. And I beleive there is a flying school in Cornwall.

[High Flyin]

Flying this aircraft is pretty much a non event, so if you have no twin time why can't you go to a flying school in YOW and get an instructor there qualified to fly twins to fly it. There must be 500 people in YOW qualified to do this trip. And I beleive there is a flying school in Cornwall.

Because isurance would like to see PA30 time within the last year. I know plenty with PA30 time however none are current as far as the insurance is concerned.

[Lost in Saigon]

Flying this aircraft is pretty much a non event, so if you have no twin time why can't you go to a flying school in YOW and get an instructor there qualified to fly twins to fly it. There must be 500 people in YOW qualified to do this trip. And I beleive there is a flying school in Cornwall.

Because isurance would like to see PA30 time within the last year. I know plenty with PA30 time however none are current as far as the insurance is concerned.

That seams pretty restrictive to me. Maybe it is time to get a new insurance company.

[rapid602]

So IF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE.

If Commercial Pilot with Pipier Navajo time or someone with an ATPL MULTI IFR and Turbine and jet time. NEEDS to have flown that aircraft in the last 12 months makes him current.

That is nuts.

So if Bob got out of the Dash 8 your insurance company wants Bob to have flown that aircraft in the last 12 months to be qualifed to fly it.

Why can't you call the insurance company and get the pilot you pick to fly it named directly on your insurance? Just a question. Sounds like you insurance company is out of touch. Maybe its just me but I think this is crazy.

Anyone else have some input on this matter. Why can't an instructor on a Piper Twin say a Seminol or a Navajo not be qualifed to fly that aircraft? I am asking. Since when did a Piper Twin Commanche become such a hard aircraft to fly?

[Colonel Sanders]

Since when did a Piper Twin Commanche become such a hard aircraft to fly?

It isn't. His insurance broker is being a dork. Any competent pilot with recent piston twin time could easily fly it safely, after briefly flipping through the POH (fuel and landing gear systems).

It's a sad reflection on the poor skill level and lack of knowledge of pilots these days that insurance companies feel the need to make such ridiculous restrictions. People seem to think they need a week-long course to transition to any new type.

[ahramin]

While I have found many insurance companies usually state these ridiculous requirements, I have never found one that stuck to these requirements once it was explained to them who the pilot was and what the plan was. Several times I've had insurance companies who wanted me to have a checkout from a pilot current on type with current instructor rating, accept the counter proposal that I'll check myself out on the aircraft and won't check anyone else out until I have 5 hours on it. I don't have an instructor rating.

It's just a matter of being honest and up front and not accepting silly requirements.

rapid602 a Dash 8 is a different animal as it requires a type rating and is not covered by the blanket ratings on your licence.

[Lost in Saigon]

It has been many years since I looked at the Licencing Privileges but I seem to remember that many years ago you only need to be type rated on aircraft over 12,500 lbs, and only if you want to carry passengers.

The Regs today seem to be more restrictive. http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... 1-1073.htm

[ahramin]

I remember that was true at one time Saigon. Anyone have the applicable regs from the current CARs? Sanders?

[Colonel Sanders]

You need a type rating if:

1) the aircraft is "high performance", or
2) the aircraft is certificated requiring two pilots

See CAR 421.40 for the gory details:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... htm#421_40

To figure out if the aircraft needs two pilots, see this chart:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... 2-1393.htm

N.B. "high performance" in Canada is very different than in the USA.
It is defined in CAR 400.01 as:

"high-performance aeroplane", with respect to a rating, means

(a) an aeroplane that is specified in the minimum flight crew document as requiring only one pilot and that has a maximum speed (Vne) of 250 KIAS or greater or a stall speed (Vso) of 80 KIAS or greater, or

(b) an amateur-built aeroplane that has a wing loading greater than that specified in section 549.103 of the Airworthiness Manual;

[Colonel Sanders]

Blatant heresy follows - feel free to avert your eyes if you are of a delicate nature.

I love checking myself out - solo - in aircraft types that I have never flown before. It's a rush. Not as good as a 180mph vertical downline at 500 feet followed by a +6G pull to level at the surface, but still, pretty good.

I enjoy the stalk. Reading up all you can about the aircraft. Thumbing through the manuals. Googling it. Learning about it's systems. Trying to figure out what it's nasty habits are going to be. Then, finally, it's time to jump in and go flying by yourself to make friends with a new type. The first landing is cool.

I know, you probably think I'm nuts. I wrote an article about the process, actually:

http://tinyurl.com/83nyszb

If you liked that article, try this one next:

http://tinyurl.com/7xvpfom

[rapid602]

I rememeber a time when I was a Captain on an Mu2 and the Ops Manager with a Commercial Licence and I had to get my ATPL done because they came out new type rating rules. Because the MU2 was a 250 TAS Machine I had to get my ATPL and a Type rating or I was not going to be able to fly it. I do not remember but I beleive ..... there was no grandfather on this one at the time.

[burhead1]

LOL dude asks for a ferry pilot and it is now a huge insurance debate. Just find it funny

[Colonel Sanders]

Ah yes, the moo-too. It looked like an airplane designed by a bunch of engineers that had never seen an airplane before. Loud, ugly, fast and a dangerous reputation - my kind of airplane!

It is "high performance" because of ONE KNOT of airspeed on the top end, which is silly. The published Vso at the slow end is deceptively low, but that's where people get into trouble with it. There is an SFAR for it in the USA because of it's slow speed handling - not because of it's 250K Vne (or Vmo).

[Doc]

CS, you'd have loved the hoops TC wanted us to jump through to fly a Viscount to North Africa. Some day over beer....

[rapid602]

Hey Colonel ... that thing has full span flaps, no ailerons, spoilers only and it will fly right at about 55kts flaps 20 inground effect. And the landing gear was the same as the gear on the f104 starfighter I beleive.

But still do not know why, the person who owns this Twim Commanche is getting the gears from his insurance company. I really think there is something wrong with the guy's (at the insurance company) interpretation of the rules .... sorry but if it was me I wouldn't be so understanding.

[acamitsis]

i am current on pa30 multi ifr on the twin commanche if interested email andrecamitsis@gmail.com

[Cough Syrup]

Its pretty funny how someone just posted a simple request for a short ferry flight and all the know-it-alls came running!



"I'm curious as to why you'd need somebody to fly this epic cross country for you? If it were YOW to, say Sydney Australia, I could see it."

...Settle down - doesn't matter if its 50nm or 5000, they're asking for some help and thats one of the purposes of this forum.

[ahramin]

What I find is people who answer posts for ferry pilots three months after the request was made. The plane is either in YOW, or has been rolled into a ball. Either way no pilot needed.