Commercial ops with a C-210 Silver Eagle

[traveller123]

hi,

i'm wondering if it's possible to fly commercially with pax with a C-210 Turbine? I already know you can do it with a Pilatus but with the C-210 the turbine is added with a conversion.
Anyone here have flown one? does it fly well?

[cdnpilot77]

Operating VFR I believe it's possible. If considering something for IFR or VFR night operations than CARS 722.18 would definitly apply.

(11) Single-engine (SE) aircraft operation VFR at night or in IFR is subject to the following standards:

(a) VFR at night SE aircraft
(amended 1998/09/01; previous version)

(i) no persons other than flight crew members, persons essential during flight and parachutists, where the Air Operator Certificate authorizes parachuting, are carried unless the operation complies with paragraph (c) below; and

(ii) aircraft equipment requirements, pilot qualifications and restrictions are included in the Company Operations Manual.

(b) IFR SE Aircraft

(i) no persons other than flight crew members are carried unless the operation complies with paragraph (c) below ;
(amended 1998/09/01; previous version)

(ii) flights are not conducted over Designated Mountainous Regions as defined in the Designated Airspace Handbook (TP 1820); and

(iii) aircraft equipment requirements, pilot qualifications and restrictions are included in the Company Operations Manual.

(c) Persons other than flight crew members and persons essential during flight may be carried VFR at night or in IFR where the aircraft is an aeroplane and the operation complies with the following standards:

(i) General

(A) only factory built, turbine-powered aeroplanes are permitted;

(B) the turbine engine of the aeroplane type must have a proven Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF) of 0.01/1000 or less established over 100,000 hours in service;

(C) no flight may include sectors over Designated Mountainous Regions 1 and 5 as defined in the Designated Airspace Handbook (TP 1820); and

(D) pilot training in accordance with section 722.76.

(ii) Aeroplane Equipment Requirements

(A) two attitude indicators which are powered separately and independently from each other;

(B) two independent power generating sources, either of which is capable of sustaining essential flight instruments and electrical equipment;

(C) an auto-ignition system or, alternately, the Company Operations Manual must specify that continuous ignition must be selected "ON" for take-off, landing and flight in heavy precipitation;

(D) a chip detector system to warn the pilot of excessive ferrous material in the engine lubrication system;

(E) a radar altimeter; and

(F) a manual throttle which bypasses the governing section of the fuel control unit and permits continued unrestricted operation of the engine in the event of a fuel control unit failure.

[Doc]

Day VFR only, unless I miss my guess. The ONLY single engine aircraft in Canada that may operate commercially IFR, night VFR or IFR (with passengers for hire) are the PC12 and the Caravan. Both require FSI or equivalent. Both have redundant systems as required. I'd strongly suggest you contact TC and get it from the horse's mouth rather than try to decipher the reams of garbage that are the CARS?

[skymarc]

A TBM 700 / 850 qualifies also.

[Alpha Crit]

I don't believe the TBM 700/850 meets the redundancy requirements for SE-IFR Commercial ops. I'm not familiar enough with the aircraft to know what it lacks, but of the 11 TBMs currently registered in Canada, none are registered for commercial operations.

[iflyforpie]

It's possible the TBM doesn't have the required payload to make commercial ops viable, like the Piper Meridian. It also doesn't have the utility of the Caravan or PC12.

Even if the Silver Eagle was able to provide commercial SEIFR service, I seriously doubt it would be profitable with only three revenue seats and less space than a 206.

A better aircraft might be the Quest Kodiak, being smaller than the Caravan. I am not sure if it has been approved for SEIFR either, but Superior Airways is operating them.

[skymarc]

The TBM as all the required for single IFR commercial ops. It does not mean because none are registered commercially that it could not be done.
How about full fuel, 1200 nm range with 850 ibs payload. Thats a lot better than a lot of King Airs.
Drop 1 hour of fuel and you got 1200 ibs payload.
A lot better than the Meridian.

[Doc]

You COULD put a 777 on floats....but SHOULD you?

[iflyforpie]

Already been done....

[Doc]

Already been done....

How many cases of beer would you have to buy if you forget to pull up your water rudders on that puppy?

[Lost Lake]

It's kegs of beer, not cases on that!

[1000 HP]

I don't believe the TBM 700/850 meets the redundancy requirements for SE-IFR Commercial ops. I'm not familiar enough with the aircraft to know what it lacks, but of the 11 TBMs currently registered in Canada, none are registered for commercial operations.

The requirement to run a single engine turbine either IFR or VFR at night is based on the engine reliability. It must have a mean time between failure rating of 100,000 hrs. That means only 1 failure for every 100,000 hrs of engine operation. The PT6 qualifies.

[1000 HP]

Already been done....

How many cases of beer would you have to buy if you forget to pull up your water rudders on that puppy?

Shoot! Now I have to go and get a multi-rating....

[iflyforpie]

The new wing spar AD coming down the pipeline is another strike against the 210.

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