F/O PA-31

stallnfall · Post by **stallnfall** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:25 am

I was just talking to the Chief pilot at bolton air in Winnipeg. The F/o they hired fell though. No min just show up with resume or e-mail it to Boltonair@hotmail.com.
Good luck

DFione1 · Post by **DFione1** » Thu May 19, 2005 5:16 pm

Hey,
Thanks for the info. Would anyone know the name of the CP there?

pa31t · Post by **pa31t** » Fri May 20, 2005 7:06 am

His name is: Peter Enzelberger, but the only thing they want is a Navajo PPC no tt time
Good luck

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Sun May 22, 2005 10:46 am

I wonder why they would want a PPC'd pilot to seat in the Right? Sounds fishy

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Sun May 22, 2005 11:45 am

skyhigh wrote:I wonder why they would want a PPC'd pilot to seat in the Right? Sounds fishy

Why wouldn't they want someone who has demonstrated that they are capable and legal to fly their plane?

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Sun May 22, 2005 1:52 pm

since when do you need a ppc to sit right seat in a navajo?

4hrstovegas · Post by **4hrstovegas** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:03 pm

Maybe for a quick move left in the near future?

+VE R8 · Post by **+VE R8** » Tue May 24, 2005 10:19 am

Anyone heard if the position has been filled?

Hawker · Post by **Hawker** » Tue May 24, 2005 3:40 pm

Where do you go to pay for PPC's again!?

I'm kidding I'm kidding!!

But really, another company looking for a PPC'd pilot....

ready2move · Post by **ready2move** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:03 pm

pa31t wrote:His name is: Peter Enzelberger, but the only thing they want is a Navajo PPC no tt time
Good luck

I doubt they are looking for a PPC. I was offered the position and I don't have a PPC or anytime on type.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:54 pm

I wonder why they would want a PPC'd pilot to seat in the Right? Sounds fishy

The vast majority of reputable companies PPC pilots in both seats.

PCCs by and large are for companies too far away for TC to visit, and too small for an ACP. Or who don't really do the training...

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Wed May 25, 2005 7:24 pm

JC: I have to question that last reply. I have worked at a company operating a mixed fleet 703/4, where some pilots are PPC'd and some are PCC'd. True TC is not on field, so there is a convienance factor, but it's also alot easier. If you have faith in your training capt's, just have the CP do a quick "line check" after the mandatory training is completed, and you'll have just as good an evaluation than if the TC designate does it.

We've also had TC guys show up and be very reluctant to do a right seat PPC for a PA31. In fact, their exact words were "there is no such thing as a right seat PPC in a single pilot airplane, functioning autopilot or not".

So just because some companies do not PPC the right seaters, doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to skirt the rules.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed May 25, 2005 7:34 pm

Donald wrote:In fact, their exact words were "there is no such thing as a right seat PPC in a single pilot airplane, functioning autopilot or not"

ROFL, what a bunch of n00bs(TC).. The PPC is for the left seat, but after you get it you can fly right seat...

I hope you shot the TC inspectors...

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Thu May 26, 2005 12:09 am

If you train your co-jo to left seat requirements, PPC them in the left seat, and then re-train them for the right seat, you have just doubled your training cost (at least).

Much easier and more efficient to just PCC them in the first place.

YWGVOR · Post by **YWGVOR** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:19 pm

The F/O position is a PCC... as far as I know the position has been re-filled unless we're looking for someone else? I only do the training, not the hiring.

Seagull · Post by **Seagull** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:17 pm

All PPC rides are completed from the left seat...the person in the right seat (if applicable) is not being tested...although they can lose their IFR if the test goes south.

Pa-31 PPC's are only required for Captains (left seat)...however a PPC'd pilot can obtain either a Single Pilot (or) 2-crew PPC.

If the aircraft is properly outfitted (auto pilot w/ glideslope) then a single-pilot PPC'd pilot can fly singe pilot IFR. If the aircraft is not outfitted as such, the PPC is for 2-crew only. (IFR)

The right seat does not require a PPC (unless noted in the company Operations manual...very very rare) until the aircraft is over 12,500Lbs or is a jet...& both are called type ratings.

My company's Ops Manual allows PPC'd pilots to do a 1hr right seat conversion which allows us to train 1st officiers on dead legs.

Training Captain, Pa-31

peterparka · Post by **peterparka** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:04 pm

Glad to hear there are others trying to help others in this industry.

arctic navigator · Post by **arctic navigator** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:23 am

Seagull

how are you training on dead legs??? last i knew of TC wouldnt allow any training on revenue flights and highly frowned upon training on positioning flights as well...

PA31 Driver · Post by **PA31 Driver** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:34 pm

If your training on the dead leg who's to say it was a revenvue flight.......we do that also...........

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:11 pm

If transport says its a revenue flight then it's a revenue flight. You need to be carefull doing stuff like this. Lots of operators do it. It can burn you in the end. remember we're pilots not lawyers.

PA31 Driver · Post by **PA31 Driver** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:23 am

very true dirt devil..........but we make sure at if training is going to be done on the dead leg, at dead leg is priced out at no cost to the customer......we very careful about that one..

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