Hi all,

I heard one time from a pilot that you could log instrument time that would count towards your PPL/night/CPL as sim instrument by just sitting in front of a panel with an instructor (on the ground, ex.: sitting in the plane) and going over the instruments, some procedures, etc.

To me it smells like BS, but it also sounds like one of those bizarre things that TC would allow - I checked in the CARs but couldn't find anything concrete. Anyone here know what the deal is with logging this type of (bs) instrument time?

it smells like BS

That's because it is BS. You can only log instrument
time on the ground on an approved sim - it should
have a logbook! - and it doesn't count towards your
flight time totals.

As an Authorized Person, I would NOT count what
you describe as any experience towards any licence
or rating. In fact, it borders on logbook fraud, which
is dealt with very harshly by TC.

Honestly, the stuff people come up with ... just go
flying, ok? I guarantee you that any pilot with less
than 1000TT needs more time in the airplane. In
the air.

So I can not log cross country time by sitting on my couch and looking at the VNC??

MIQ wrote:So I can not log cross country time by sitting on my couch and looking at the VNC??

Only if you've drawn your path on the map with the requisite 10 degree drift lines, are timing your eye travel from checkpoint to checkpoint and calculating TES (true eye speed) and using double drift correction when you get distracted by the TV, glance away and have to get back on track.

5x5 wrote:

MIQ wrote:So I can not log cross country time by sitting on my couch and looking at the VNC??

Only if you've drawn your path on the map with the requisite 10 degree drift lines, are timing your eye travel from checkpoint to checkpoint and calculating TES (true eye speed) and using double drift correction when you get distracted by the TV, glance away and have to get back on track.

What if I am driving while texting, holding a tall double-mocca late with a small dog on my lap? Does that count towards my atpl?

MIQ wrote:So I can not log cross country time by sitting on my couch and looking at the VNC??

Hahaha...good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. I would have had to buy a new hour builder...I mean couch.

Why did I bother to actually fly when I could just stare at instruments on the ground and a VNC on my couch! Air Canada should be knocking on my door with how much couch time I have

It s not just about logging time, you can be creative about counting time towards currency as well.

I was worried about having my 5 night landings in 6 Months but then I remembered the couple of times I greased her on from seat 23D on the old Airbus and so "I'm good to go" right ?

Big Pistons Forever wrote:It s not just about logging time, you can be creative about counting time towards currency as well.

I was worried about having my 5 night landings in 6 Months but then I remembered the couple of times I greased her on from seat 23D on the old Airbus and so "I'm good to go" right ?

Regardless of which seat you are in, a landing is a landing You're good!