Project: Parkland Airport - West of Edmonton

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Project: Parkland Airport - West of Edmonton

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Hello everyone,

We would like to invite you all to visit the project website for our proposed Parkland Airport:

http://www.parklandairport.com

Our group has done a lot of work in the preparations and we've kept it confidential until now. We have a preliminary agreement on the land we selected to build this airport and are now working on the zoning and other approvals which depend on Parkland County and the Edmonton Capital Region Board.

Please check our status page for updates.

We're looking for support from aviators and anyone interested and supportive of general aviation and this project. We intend to get through the approval stages this year and be ready when Edmonton City Centre Airport closes - and we hope Edmonton will allow the remaining ECCA businesses to relocate to Parkland Airport before the final closure occurs.

Please let us know what you think - in this forum and via email.

And if you can support the cause at this stage by contacting any elected officials in your community that would be great.

All the best and happy flying!

Robert Gilgen and Aaron Soos
Parkland Airport Development Corporation
Alberta, Canada
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This is very interesting and exciting!

I will pass this along to others I know.
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Will there be a shuttle to city center?
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Congrats and kudos on the project announcement this morning, I wish you the best and I hope I can support it in my own meagre way.

I have a couple of questions:

Are you at liberty to list your investment group yet? Just curiousity on my part.

Perhaps it wouldn't fit in the context of Parkland Airport, but have you given any thought to including a residential airpark in the plan?

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I have 2 questions for the folks who are heading this excellent initiative

1) Will there be an IRONCLAD non-reversible agreement that this airport remain in operation for 100 years? ( not shut down like city center when the inevitable expansion occurs)
2) Will the existing tenants at city center be bought out/ compensated appropriately for lost income and land /construction /relocation costs ?

The residential air-park is a gooood idea! I believe the whole concept of a user friendly airport hinges around multi-use initiatives. Don't discount a portion of the property being aviation AND non-aviation related industrial ( non-conflicting) KEEP the rates down and keep it diversified and it shall be a great success!
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This is really a cheering experience.

We are a lot more use to reading about the closure of airports in Canada and the perceived nuisance than the opening of a brand new airport. I am of the mindset that we need more of that.

The differences in attitude that I have noticed outside of Canada is that airports are valued as important transport links (not unlike putting in a subway or new highway) an important economic catalyst and a job creator for the local area. When you look at an aeronautical chart on both sides of the Canada/US border, you see a marked contrast with far fewer airports on the Canadian side.

I look forward to reading more about the development of this new airport and hope that it becomes an example for other similar developments throughout the country.
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Wow. It sure would be interesting to see an economic model on how this proposed airport will work!
25 million. Hmmm. Sell jet fuel for 18.00 a litre? Landing fee of $2500.00 ?
Who is going to pay for all this? Lawsuits from the City Centre Airport closure?
Lets hope it doesn't get struck by a meteor.
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azimuthaviation wrote:My hope is a private registered airport on Enoch with one runway 6000 feet with ILS and GPS approach. Presell ownership shares to fund construction and finance the operation with landing fees and hangar rental. Contract Navcanada to run an fss and the navaids. As soon as someone organises it ill be the first to invest.
As you can see Ive been waiting for exactly this thing to come along! Only difference is youre 2 miles away from Enoch and the runway is 1000 feet shorter. But unlike certain other members of AvCanada when I say I'll put my money where my mouth is, I will. Needless to say Im all onboard for this!
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What role do you think this airport will provide for private owners of recreational aircraft, who are currently forced to hangar way out in Villeneuve or Cooking Lake? Will there be competitive hangar space for these aircraft or is that not the intent of this facility? Reading the website the focus certainly seems to be on commercial operators.
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I disagree, what I was getting from the site was an inclusive airport servicing small and medium sized potential clientel. Of course I can't see to open the Questions (it's my computer, not the site). I do remember the interest in having a couple of FTU's located on the field.

I would have liked to see the runway 1000 feet longer as well. The aircraft I fly would not be able to use that length a strip in poorer weather conditions. Oh well, the hope is there for a second 8000' runway should all things proceed well.

I would definitely be on board for this :)
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Im very excited for this project. Any new airport sounds like a great idea to me, especially in Canada. However I just can't get over how ironic it is, that we must build essentially the same airport as CYXD but in a worse location. Damn Government!

I'm very curious to see the plans for the 8000ft runway.
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I'm all for supporting general and commercial aviation in Edmonton outside of what's happening in YEG. Having flown out of CYXD for years as a MEDEVAC pilot and working for a charter operator, wouldn't the money be better spent on improving existing airports in the area such as Villeneuve, etc. to support the air ambulance/charter/flight training/AB gov/RCMP etc. rather than starting an entirely new project? Somebody needs to kick Mandel in the shins.

I would like to see and support CYXD staying open, but unfortunately it looks as though this won't be the case.

Having said that, starting a new project, while good, doesn't necessarily seem to be the best option either. Just my 2 cents.



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RobertG wrote:Hello everyone,

We would like to invite you all to visit the project website for our proposed Parkland Airport:

http://www.parklandairport.com

Our group has done a lot of work in the preparations and we've kept it confidential until now. We have a preliminary agreement on the land we selected to build this airport and are now working on the zoning and other approvals which depend on Parkland County and the Edmonton Capital Region Board.

Please check our status page for updates.

We're looking for support from aviators and anyone interested and supportive of general aviation and this project. We intend to get through the approval stages this year and be ready when Edmonton City Centre Airport closes - and we hope Edmonton will allow the remaining ECCA businesses to relocate to Parkland Airport before the final closure occurs.

Please let us know what you think - in this forum and via email.

And if you can support the cause at this stage by contacting any elected officials in your community that would be great.

All the best and happy flying!

Robert Gilgen and Aaron Soos
Parkland Airport Development Corporation
Alberta, Canada
now working on the zoning and other approvals which depend on Parkland County and the Edmonton Capital Region Board

And therein lies the rub.
While I have no doubt that Parkland County will be on board, the ECRB will veto this. Just as they did with the proposed improvements to the Villeneuve infrastructure, and recently the Acheson Industrial Park expansion. Guess who has the clout there?
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Built a big trench for float planes next to the runway. That would bring in lots of customers, no?
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x-wind wrote:Built a big trench for float planes next to the runway. That would bring in lots of customers, no?
Used to work well at St. Albert and the fill could be used to build up and level the runway!

Seriously it did work well at St. Albert and with the dropping water levels at Cooking Lake it would be a solid option IMO.

From a business perspective this plan could be derailed if Edmonton Airports actually started to develop Villeneuve seriously.

But that would mean water and sewer and from this link....
http://www.stalbertchamber.com/files/1160.pdf there appears to be no plans for it at this time.
Without it serious development is just not possible.

After 20years and all the vitriolic debate around YXD this would be in place now along with other necessary infrastructure.

Go for it Parkland Airport...there is a market by all appearances, at least for now...many businesses will have had to make decisions if the time line is too long IMO.

In my highly biased personal opinion
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Hey what about Namao? Short drive down 97 Street to the city centre. Both the City Centre Airport and the International could of been relocated there.....but wait, Edmonton Int'l would loose the central Alberta passengers to Calgary.
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G'day

Namao is absolutely out of the equation. There is intensive helo ops at the base. There is also a large lweapons range on the eastern perimeter used day and night.

Cheers...Chris
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How ironic! Edmonton Airports has a tender on the market for a runway extension and ILS installation at ZVL. You can find it on www.merx.com. It has to be done for this year. And the Government of Alberta is paying for it.

But still no water and sewer for ZVL. Alas, Edmonton Airports has lost all moral authority to direct general aviation and has no business opposing this.
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Good day everyone, we're back on this forum - after intense media reaction in Edmonton, more great meetings and offers of support and help. We keep responding to inquiries and are updating our website with the latest news and progress.

Answers to the questions we've seen here:

- A shuttle service is being considered to Spruce Grove, Stony Plain, the River Cree resort and Edmonton

- No plans for a residential airpark as the area is mostly industrial/commercial

- We intend to fully own the land, with long-term leases and private operation of the airport

- Expropriated businesses at Edmonton City Centre Airport are expected to receive compensation

- We're not at liberty to list our investment group yet, but it is broad

- Both commercial and recreational aircraft will be welcome

- A trench for floatplanes could be interesting but is not being considered

- Federal jurisdiction will help with the approvals and zoning:
http://www.eaa.org/bitsandpieces/articl ... dromes.asp

Thank you all for the feedback and comments, please keep them coming!

Robert Gilgen and Aaron Soos
Parkland Airport Development Corporation
Alberta, Canada
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Cod Father wrote:How ironic! Edmonton Airports has a tender on the market for a runway extension and ILS installation at ZVL. You can find it on http://www.merx.com. It has to be done for this year. And the Government of Alberta is paying for it.

But still no water and sewer for ZVL. Alas, Edmonton Airports has lost all moral authority to direct general aviation and has no business opposing this.
Cod Father

Your post begs the question be asked....

How is is there is enough business in the region for private investors to take a run at creating an all new airport with private lands and private money, but Edmonton Airports who got Vill for a token cost and can afford a billion dollar expansion at YEG needs money from healthcare to extend the runway at Villeneuve?

Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmm
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Here is the tender for ZVL:
http://www.merx.com/English/SUPPLIER_Me ... DhLQ%3d%3d
Runway Extension and ILS Installation

Invitation for Bid #13-0002
Runway Extension and ILS Installation - Villeneuve AIRPORT, Alberta

Edmonton Regional Airports Authority ("Edmonton Airports") is seeking qualified companies to submit bids for a runway extension and ILS installation project at Villeneuve AIRPORT, Alberta.

Work is anticipated to commence in April 2013 with final completion by November 2013.

A mandatory briefing meeting will be held on February 4, 2013 at 2:00pm at the Edmonton International AIRPORT.

A performance bond and labour & material payment bond will be required for this project.
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And the story saying the province is paying for Villeneuve upgrades:
http://www.stalbertgazette.com/article/ ... or-medevac
Villeneuve to be backup site for medevac
Province to invest $5 to $6 million in airport upgrades
By: Kevin Ma
Posted: Friday, Dec 21, 2012 08:45 pm
GROWING – Villeneuve Airport has been chosen as the backup site for medevac flights in the Capital region. The decision will trigger improvements to the airport itself and may stimulate economic development in adjacent communities, notably St. Albert.

Villeneuve Airport will be the official backup site for medevac flights once the City Centre Airport closes, says the provincial finance minister, and that could mean about $6 million in airport upgrades.

Finance minister Doug Horner confirmed this week that the province had picked Villeneuve Airport as its alternate medevac landing site. Edmonton Airports president Reg Milley had mentioned the change in a briefing to Sturgeon County council on Dec. 11.

Most medevac flights into Edmonton currently land at the City Centre Airport. Since Edmonton plans to close that airport by 2014, the province is moving its medevac flights over to the Edmonton International Airport. By law, the province has to have a backup airport ready in case those flights can’t land at the International.

Horner floated the idea of having medevac planes land at the Edmonton Garrison earlier this year, but the military shot that down in May as too expensive (they would have had to move several firing ranges).

That made Villeneuve the next best choice, Horner said, and they’ve been working on the logistics of it since this fall.

Medevac flights are typically scheduled appointments involving small, fixed-wing aircraft, said health minister Fred Horne. “If somebody has suffered major trauma, they’re going to be airlifted by helicopter directly to hospital.” STARS Air Ambulance will have a facility right next to the medevac centre at the International for swift transfers, he added.

Villeneuve will be taking medical patients unable to land at the International due to weather or other problems, Horner said. Once they land, they will be taken by ambulance to where they need to go.

The Sturgeon Community Hospital in St. Albert recently upgraded its emergency room, Horner said, and can handle any medevac patients at Villeneuve that need immediate help.

Villeneuve will have to install a new instrument landing system and lengthen one of its runways by a to-be-determined distance to handle medevac planes, Horner said, which will probably cost the province $5 to $6 million. The province is tight on cash, he noted, but this would be a high priority item.

“It’s not just an alternate for medevac,” Horner added – all small fixed-wing planes headed to the International would land at Villeneuve in emergencies. “I would like to talk to the owners out there about maybe even augmenting that ($5 to $6 million upgrade) a little bit more so you can add more versatility to that airport.”

These upgrades should be a catalyst for more service centres and businesses at the airport, said county councillor Ken McGillis, whose division includes Villeneuve. “It’s unfortunate that we didn’t receive support from our urban neighbours with the Villeneuve area structure plan,” he said, as that plan had the water and sewer upgrades an expanded airport would need.

An extended runway will have a huge economic impact on this region, said Lynda Moffat, who helped spearhead the Villeneuve Airport Joint Task Force as executive director of the St. Albert Chamber of Commerce, as it would draw more planes and customers to the airport.

Customers will also have quick access to the Anthony Henday once Ray Gibbon Drive is extended north, she said. “If you want to set up regional offices or if you’re going to have people servicing the north, we’re perfectly positioned for that.”

The province will also have to beef up the intersection of Hwys. 633 and 44, Horner said. Currently a busy two-way stop, the province had planned to eventually put a roundabout there to handle all the gravel trucks. Horner hoped to get this project started next year to speed ambulances going in and out of Villeneuve Airport, but said it would depend on the province’s finances.

McGillis welcomed the news of the roundabout, which has been on the books for some time. “From a safety point (of view), it’s long overdue.” The proposed roundabout would be a very large one similar to one found west of Calgary, he noted.

Horner said he expected work on the airport to start this spring and to be finished by the end of 2013.
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Tom H wrote:
Cod Father wrote:How ironic! Edmonton Airports has a tender on the market for a runway extension and ILS installation at ZVL. You can find it on http://www.merx.com. It has to be done for this year. And the Government of Alberta is paying for it.

But still no water and sewer for ZVL. Alas, Edmonton Airports has lost all moral authority to direct general aviation and has no business opposing this.
Cod Father

Your post begs the question be asked....

How is is there is enough business in the region for private investors to take a run at creating an all new airport with private lands and private money, but Edmonton Airports who got Vill for a token cost and can afford a billion dollar expansion at YEG needs money from healthcare to extend the runway at Villeneuve?

Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmm
I'm still wondering why the province gave Villeneuve $495,500 in 2006 when Edmonton Airports can afford that big expansion.

http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/Co ... 06Proj.pdf
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This is what really pisses me off
Medevac flights are typically scheduled appointments involving small, fixed-wing aircraft, said health minister Fred Horne. “If somebody has suffered major trauma, they’re going to be airlifted by helicopter directly to hospital.”
These ministers are supposed to read their own department reports.
http://publications.hqca.ca/preview/167

Which clearly points out that out of the “Alberta only” fixed wing air ambulance flights 213 were critical in their rating system and 1566 were time dependent. That is a huge number! Yet doesn’t take into consideration any of the out of Province air ambulance flights.

Within that report I'd like to know why STARS flights are all coded RED?
I have no problem with STARS themselves, but all coded Red?

Just like I don’t understand why every time STARS moves it’s in the news, but I have friends flying Fixed Wing that have done amazing emergency flights and they are never mentioned and I am sure there are dozens I’ve never heard of.

So why the spin? It’s led to the impression that “fixed wing is a taxi” and STARS handles all the emergencies. Which is becoming repeated so often that people are now believing it.

I don’t get why there is no backlash from the fixed wing operators. Why doesn’t anyone in the industry scream?

Tom H
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This sounds pretty positive to me. I would rather the muni stayed but this might be better in the long run. Best of luck.
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