Recent Experience

[Krimson]

What is the recent level of experience guys are getting called for AC?

I know there are a few numbers scattered around in the forums but it would be nice to get them all in one place. Post even if it is not your own time, just something you have heard.

For starters it seems you require MPIC>12.5 and ~3000 TT.
I am personally curious about the lower time guys with B1900/Metro time, but I'm sure it would be interesting to get all the numbers in one place.

[DBC]

Don't worry about specifics, just apply. There is such a massive range, but there are plenty of people without MPIC or 12.5 time getting hired. Pretty sure there's been some pilatus guys below 2500tt.

[whatsitdoingnow]

Some are getting calls for interviews with low 2000's and little MPIC, although it would be interesting to see how many of them actually get hired. I also have several friends with 5000+ hours and they don't seem to be able to get an interview (and that's PIC time on Dash 8/ 704 Jet etc) - I wonder if AC is now leaning away from higher time guys?

[SgtStroka]

Theres one gal there who had 2500TT mostly on a C208!

[Krimson]

Once you make it to the interviews I thought you stood a fair chance regardless of your hours and experience?

How much longer do you expect they will be hiring at this rate?

[Taxi]

I heard a lot of fellow who have been interviewed with 2500h without PIC time but didn't make it. I don't know why they called them, if they don't have the hours to compete against captain with 704 times ?

[onetreehill]

All you need is a pulse and a desire to be a follower.

[MeAndMrPenguin]

Lets be clear, if you get called for an interview, you meet the minimums for them to fly the plane. Stop looking at your logbook and consider that they are hiring people, not log books.

Why would they waste time interviewing unqualified people?

704, float, military, bush, medivac, charter, traffic airplane, water bomber, jet jock, freight monkey...

I have met all of these, with varying amounts of time...

Lets finally get rid of this you need 4800 hours of three engine float plane radial time north of 60 flying precious organs BS that permeates the Canadian industry.

Take a look at the new cadet program...they will have...well about 3000 hours when sent to AC.

[SgtStroka]

All you need is a pulse and a desire to be a follower.

So you didn't get hired by AC, poor choice by WJ, but they took you on. So why do you troll the AC forum and contribute garbage one liners?

[cj555]

I'm interested to hear what predicitions people have for the hiring over the next few years, and what effect that will have on required time?

It looks like (and correct me if I'm wrong) the hiring going on right now in the industry is better then seen over (at least) the last 5 years. If retirements really start to affecting the number of available pilots then we could see a continued surge in hiring which would mean the average time of new hires could go down. I think we may be seeing the start of this already with the new Cadet Program.

[The Raven]

All you need is a pulse and a desire to be a follower.

So you didn't get hired by AC, poor choice by WJ, but they took you on. So why do you troll the AC forum and contribute garbage one liners?

I think he's a sad reflection of some WestJet employees. Thank goodness he's in the minority.

[onetreehill]

Wrong again. I'm white.

[Sea2Sky]

All you need is a pulse and a desire to be a follower.

LMAO!! TALK ABOUT THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE TEAL

[loopa]

Hey guys to help shed some light on this.

Lots of different experiences. I will tell you of my personal friends/ex colleagues that got hired.

- 1 was a king air pic with roughly 1000 hours sic 1900 time sitting around 3500 hour marked when hired. Flies the 320 now.
- Another was king air pic with much less 1900 time sic again around 3500 hour marked when hired. Flies the E175/190 now.
- One was a jazz low timer that went from college to CRJ, 5 years later with 4000 hours jet all SIC went to AC. Flies E175/190 now.
- One was doing glacier flying in a 206 for 2000 hours and low couple hundreds in a navajo sic, on the 777RP now.

This is all in the last year. So don't be surprised if you're a pilatus, caravan guy getting a phone call.

The flying at the 705 level is much more simplified, albeit there's a mindset that goes along being a system manager on such variants. But I sure as hell shat my pants more as an instructor back in the day than I do flying a 705 machine today. The industry is ass backwards.

On the flip side, lots of great friends and pilot's for that fact with 5 to 6000 hrs + with what you'd think would be the perfect profile as far as mpic goes, < 12.5, EFIS, transport category and not even a simple phone call.

Not sure if it's a factor worth considering, but let's not forget our friends abroad at companies like Emirates, Cathay, Qatar that are applying back to Canada with type ratings. I realize the equipment bid reflects the courses offered but could somebody perhaps shed some light on if such qualifications are prioritized cause of previous exp on such types?

Good luck to all the ones applying!

[cj555]

Hey guys to help shed some light on this.

Lots of different experiences. I will tell you of my personal friends/ex colleagues that got hired.

- 1 was a king air pic with roughly 1000 hours sic 1900 time sitting around 3500 hour marked when hired. Flies the 320 now.
- Another was king air pic with much less 1900 time sic again around 3500 hour marked when hired. Flies the E175/190 now.
- One was a jazz low timer that went from college to CRJ, 5 years later with 4000 hours jet all SIC went to AC. Flies E175/190 now.
- One was doing glacier flying in a 206 for 2000 hours and low couple hundreds in a navajo sic, on the 777RP now.

This is all in the last year. So don't be surprised if you're a pilatus, caravan guy getting a phone call.

Hey Loopa,

Very interesting post. I'm not surprised to see that the guy with the most experince (King Air PIC) was hired and put on the A320. I was wondering if you know how the bidding works for the new hires? Are all the new hires given a sort of "ground school seniority" based on their experience relative to the rest of the class? This would explain the order of most experience getting the A320, and the least experienced getting 777RP etc.

[TheStig]

Hey guys to help shed some light on this.

Lots of different experiences. I will tell you of my personal friends/ex colleagues that got hired.

- 1 was a king air pic with roughly 1000 hours sic 1900 time sitting around 3500 hour marked when hired. Flies the 320 now.
- Another was king air pic with much less 1900 time sic again around 3500 hour marked when hired. Flies the E175/190 now.
- One was a jazz low timer that went from college to CRJ, 5 years later with 4000 hours jet all SIC went to AC. Flies E175/190 now.
- One was doing glacier flying in a 206 for 2000 hours and low couple hundreds in a navajo sic, on the 777RP now.

This is all in the last year. So don't be surprised if you're a pilatus, caravan guy getting a phone call.

Hey Loopa,

Very interesting post. I'm not surprised to see that the guy with the most experince (King Air PIC) was hired and put on the A320. I was wondering if you know how the bidding works for the new hires? Are all the new hires given a sort of "ground school seniority" based on their experience relative to the rest of the class? This would explain the order of most experience getting the A320, and the least experienced getting 777RP etc.

Yes it's a reasonable explanation, but it doesn't work that way. Once you're hired it doesn't matter what your experience was, you have a seniority number, you bid what you want, if your seniority number can hold that position, you get awarded it. Any Air Canada pilot is considered to be already qualified for any position provided they can pass the course and their seniority will allow them to be awarded that position.

New Hire classes have their seniority numbers drawn from a hat, they use that seniority order to pick from positions made available. Crew Manning and simulator planning departments determine which spots are available at that time with respect to unbid positions from the previous equipment bid.

[cj555]

Thanks for the reply Stig.

Since new hires draw from a hat to determine seniorty in their GS class, that means it is just a coincidence in Loopa's example that the most experience guy (King Air PIC) got the biggest equipment (A320). Thats very interesting to know.

[TheStig]

Thanks for the reply Stig.

Since new hires draw from a hat to determine seniorty in their GS class, that means it is just a coincidence in Loopa's example that the most experience guy (King Air PIC) got the biggest equipment (A320). Thats very interesting to know.

Yup, pure coincidence. Although as far as 'most experience' is concerned, you could argue the 206 pilot had the most PIC time and the pilot from Jazz had the highest TT...