North Battleford, SK accident

[Woxof38]

Just on the news, more information this afternoon

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatche ... -1306.html

[gwengler]

C-FXOB

[jeta1]

Bad month for fly camps... After the McCusker Lake Fish camp owners Jim and Brenda Beauchene died in the Beech 18 crash in Red Lake two weeks ago, and now the owner of Moon Lake Outfitters - a wild and large game hunting camp - dies along with his dad in a PA-14 crash. Tell me camp owners and part-time pilots, will you be next on this sad list?

To me it begs the question where piloting duties become blurred with the pride of business ownership. We see it over and over and over and over again... Smart, dynamic, successful and friendly entrepreneurs who somehow believe that business success equates to a natural move behind the controls of aircraft. I don't know what caused either the BE18 or PA14 crash, but the common denominator is eerily similar to countless previous tales of successful businessmen or women who perhaps should have left the flying bit to real financially struggling pilots, and kept their heads attending to their success (nothing like being chauffeured if you earned the right...) .

This may be a sore point to some here who may recognize themselves, but most here are scraggly ball-in-the-middle honest-to-you know who bonafide debt-ridden pilots. Or with a big mortgage anyway... I actually want to offend those rich guys who decide to fly because now they can afford to, because this may save their bacon.

[dirtdr]

Ya. You know you made it when you get to go places in the back seat of a pa-14.

Come on, now.

[180]

My condolences to the Buchanan family and friends. A real tragedy. I especially feel for the young sons and young wife who are suddenly without the men in their lives. Very sad.

(And Jeta1, you tactless douche, have a little respect. This is neither the time nor the place. And if you really think camp owners can't fly, try googling Paul Claus. Your generalizations are as ignorant as you are.)

[Sidebar]

This is neither the time nor the place.

I'm not sure about the time. When is the appropriate time? Is there some unwritten rule that tells how long one must wait?

As for the place, this IS the place. This is AvCanada, home of the rude and the crude. And the douche nozzles.

[PilotDAR]

Of course any accident is a sad event, no occupant of an aircraft is guaranteed a successful flight, good pilots just try to stack all the odds in that direction. Some do it better than others. I have no specific knowledge of the accidents mentioned or the people involved, so I make no judgement of them.

Jeta1's post however, though at a sensitive time, is an important reminder that diligence to the task at hand is always important. Success in one aspect of life is not an assurance of a successful outcome in another aspect - particularly flying! I have been the right seat mentor to many "successful" businessman pilots, who were not yet "there" in terms of being a successful pilot in that aircraft - and did not recognize that well enough. They were used to succeeding, and thought that they were when flying. The fact that you have landed safely after every flight does not mean that flight was conducted with appropriate safety.

[DHC2eater]

Good morning....I didn't realize YQW had an area for float aircraft....have a look at google earth to see it..

DHC2eater

[2550]

Jeta1....just so you know, if you ever crash and die, ill make sure to post on here the root cause of your mistake so your wife, kids and friends can read about it.

[pdw]

...I didn't realize YQW had an area for float aircraft...

The lake that was used for this takeoff is located north of the airport area (news article). 1200ft ? (google traffic map ... not counting the little extension). At this time of year the water level in this shallow lake is still close to maximum due to spring runoff. The satellite map image is later in summer, when the water has mostly evaporated.

The maximum surface run while being into wind for takeoff looks to be in the south/southeast direction at 10:21am (news/ time of accident). Winds are out of the southeast at 24.km gusting 35.2km (13ktsG19kts) 17C 88% lightrain at 10:22am June13 / 2013; Wunderground History Data 10:22Am CYQW. Accident location (news reports) is just northwest-of, nearly in line with, the main runway ... at the north end of the field.

[crazy_aviator]

While reasonably good at business, We all remember R Voderick at OAL and how he flipped a Cessna 150 on "approach" I remember jumping in my car and heading out across the field one day when he was doing low level hammerheads and went out of sight ,,,An accident waiting to happen, i sure thought so at the time Dentists come to mind,,, Professionalism in the "office" YES, but behind a beech or mooney single or twin in poor conditions , they are an accident waiting to happen and too "intelligent" to know it

[ragbagflyer]

I can't speak to the experience level of the pilot in this accident; but I can say that to compare an outfitter with some fabric Piper variant to a doctor or dentist with a Bonanza often isn't a very relevant comparison. A lot of those guys have more off-strip experience than most of us on Avcanada ever will.

[crazy_aviator]

Agreed Rag, HOWEVER, I will say one important thing . An owner who has vested interest in getting to destination with their OWN A/C on their own DIME, at times, forgets to keep the big picture in mind and does things that a "professional" pilot will say NO to ! I know that because ive been at fault doing the very same thing

[Cat Driver]

Judging by all the airplanes being wrecked by " Professionals " lately flying in anything is high risk.

[crazy_aviator]

Have to concede that , once again, this Cat fella is correct

[Beefitarian]

Professional just means you get paid to do something.

[Sidebar]

Professional just means you get paid to do something.

BULLSHIT! This means the coffee slingers at Tim Horton's are professionals?

A professional is someone who is educated, certified proficient at what they do, and follows a set of ethical guidelines in the performance of their duties. This last point would disqualify a significant group of commercial pilots who get paid (or not) to fly.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession.

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professions, which lists pilots as a profession.

[Nark]

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professions, which lists pilots as a profession.

No, Profession(als) are an attitude not a definitive list of occupations.

I also like that only upper level of Military Officers are professionals.

[sueonkent]

Ive heard there are female professionals as well

[Taco Joe]

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professions, which lists pilots as a profession.

No, Profession(als) are an attitude not a definitive list of occupations.

I also like that only upper level of Military Officers are professionals.

I also like how Wikipedia is cited as a meaningful source in regards to this discussion.

[sstocker31]

Sad to hear this about these two guys. I bought my Piper Pacer off . about 15 years ago (C-FGOE)