Multi engine aircraft rental.

[proper]

I'm looking for a company/flight school that rents twins in the montreal ottawa area. I have family and friends that want to "charter" my services for a sight seeing trip. Any suggestions?

[slam525i]

I think it's legal if it's his friends and family and he isn't being paid for his time, but why do you need a twin?

[proper]

Typical avcanada response,
Now... I'm a Jazz skipper and my folks and family want a plane ride, withh me at the controls in a twin if possible. The only pay I would receive is the pleasure to do so and the smiles on their face...smartass.

[moocow]

Typical avcanada response,
Now... I'm a Jazz skipper and my folks and family want a plane ride, withh me at the controls in a twin if possible. The only pay I would receive is the pleasure to do so and the smiles on their face...smartass.

Then why didn't you say that to begin with? Using quotes around charter could be misinterpreted as under the table payment. This is the Internet, people don't necessary understand joke / sarcasm / witty comments, smartass.

[photofly]

Then why didn't you say that to begin with?

Perhaps because he wasn't asking for ethical and legal advice - just looking for somewhere to rent a twin. Getting back on thread, does anyone have any suggestions that answer the question that was asked?

[flyinthebug]

Proper...

Try the Ottawa Flying Club. They have a pair of BE76 (Beech Duchess) around 270$ an hour last time I checked.

Here is their website and contact info.

http://www.ofc.ca/

Your family will love the ride...almost as much as you enjoy taking them! Hope it works out for you.

Cheers, FTB

[proper]

Thanks FTB, really appreciate the response.

[PointyEngine]

I'm looking for a company/flight school that rents twins in the montreal ottawa area. I have family and friends that want to "charter" my services for a sight seeing trip. Any suggestions?

Yes, tell your family and friends to charter their sightseeing trip from a legit operator with their own legit commercial and on the payroll pilot. This way they will remain your family and friends. What you were considering was a very bad idea.

Are you retarded luckyboy??
He asked a simple question. I assume you have no idea of either this persons experience or situation.

[JDW]

maybe his 'f&f' are more than 4 people.....or a bit portly.....maybe he wants to fly over some big water. the guy asked for a place to rent a twin, not to have his personality, credentials, and judgement analyzed

[Colonel Sanders]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I might humbly
opine that a 4 cylinder twin isn't probably going to
do it - so forget the Beech Duchess, or Piper Seminole,
or Twin Comanche, or Apache (if you could find one).

Those are all really just 4 seat airplanes. Not much
more capable than a 182, really.

To carry a "family" you're going to want a six cylinder
twin. Aztec is slower but easy to fly into short strips
and carries a good load, or Baron or 310 if you want
to go a little faster. I am fond of the 421 because it
will carry a load, go a distance and can get over a
little wx with the turbos and pressurization.

Back to your regularly scheduled infighting and back
biting.

[CpnCrunch]

Now since your f&f insist on a twin, I take it they feel singles are unsafe, or not as safe as a twin, which is a fair assessment coming from people who know squat about aviation.

Well it seems that people who 'know squat about aviation' know more than the average avcanada poster about the safety of twins vs singles. Twins are safer than singles - that's why they go to all the trouble and expense of sticking two engines on the plane in the first place...it's the pilots who may or may not be safe to fly them, and that leads to the higher fatality rate. Do you think a Jazz captain knows how to handle an engine failure?

Certainly there are factors such as higher stall speed in a typical twin vs single, less ability to climb/accelerate on one engine in a light twin vs a dash8, etc. However it's incorrect to state that 'singles are safer than twins'.

[Colonel Sanders]

Twins are safer than singles

Can't agree with that. Engine failure after takeoff,
99% of piston twin pilots are dead meat. However,
in a single, if the engine fails, if the pilot can manage
to keep the wings level and not stall, he will probably
survive it, also due in part to the slower stall speed.

that's why they go to all the trouble and expense of sticking two engines on the plane in the first place

Nope. They stick two engines on, because they can't
get the required power from one engine.

Ever heard of the wildly successfully TBM-700 or PC-12?
They could have been powered by two piston engines,
but instead they went with a single turbine.

In the hands of a skilled pilot, a twin is probably safer
than a single, but unfortunately 99% of pilots in my
humble opinion are not adequately skilled enough to
safely fly a twin.

If you and I go flying in a piston twin loaded to max
gross on a hot day, and I pull an engine at 100 feet,
you are dead.

Here's you in a piston twin:



Don't feel bad - you have received horrible flight training,
and have not yet recovered from it.

[proper]

The amount of ignorance and petty judging on avcanada never ceases to amaze me
I have 8-10 people, some of them a little heavy, wanting an hour site seeing ride. 20 minute check ride? Ha! Which school? I'll book em right away.
I appreciate the constructive comments immensely and you know who you are. However the ignorant commenters sadly don't know who they are.

Thank you relevent posters for pointing me in the right direction. And since when did airline flying become below ga?

[proper]

Oh and p.s. Lucky Boy, pick up the phone and see who will rent you a twin WITHOUT a "safety pilot". I've gone through 7 schools. The OFC is the only one that will. I don't need to pay someone to be ballast.

[proper]

Yes I also forgot lucky boy that flying all over the globe, and having 9 type ratings, does make me under qualified to fly a light twin. I guess once I hang up my stripes I should rent a cub... at best. I didn't want to throw around credentials or experience but seriously all I asked was where I could rent a twin... as my efforts were fruitless. Thank you all and good evening. I hope your in the ac with a cold one. Proper over and out.

[lownslow]

I guess once I hang up my stripes I should rent a cub...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Seriously though, hope you do find a twin to rent although for a local sightseeing flight I suspect your family would get better pictures out the windows of a 172. You know, just at the expense of taking you seriously as a pilot.

LnS.

[Colonel Sanders]

With all due respect, being the ace of the base in
a Boeing in no way prepares you to fly a Gee Bee
Racer, a Sea Fury, a Waco or even a Luscombe,
for that matter.

And flying something with two overpowered kerosene
burners in no way prepares you to fly an underpowered
4 cyl piston twin at max gross on a hot day.

[corytrevor]

I'm a better pilot than YOU are.

[YYZSaabGuy]

With all due respect, being the ace of the base in
a Boeing in no way prepares you to fly a Gee Bee
Racer, a Sea Fury, a Waco or even a Luscombe,
for that matter.

And flying something with two overpowered kerosene
burners in no way prepares you to fly an underpowered
4 cyl piston twin at max gross on a hot day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Irrelevant. First, the OP flies a Bombardier product, not a Boeing. He wasn't asking about a Gee Bee Racer, a Sea Fury,
a Waco, or even a Luscombe.

Second, odds are pretty good (insert delicate understatement smiley) he's got more than a few thousand hours and likely an ATPL.
Which means he's spent time, somewhere along the way, training in an underpowered 4 cylinder piston twin,
perhaps at max gross on a hot day. Regardless, he's certainly qualified to understand and apply concepts like density altitude.

In no possible universe of Canadian aviation should he be considered a Bad Man for wanting to rent a multi-engine aircraft to fly
friends and family around, notwithstanding all of the hand-wringing and armchair quarterbacking going on here.

AvCanada. Where, if there isn't a problem around, we'll invent one for you.

[Krimson]

Sounds like luckyboy is a bit jealous

Classic "what I do is better than you, and you're not good enough for it". People need to grow up around here.

[proper]

tks yyzsaabguy, on point and pretty much nailed it. Have a great day.

[Etihad]

You can try Lachute flight school. Did an IFR recurrent there. Twin Comanche that was in great shape at the time........the school is just north if YUL, and real close to YMX. Not sure about solo renting requirements though.............

[dahspeers]

What a bunch of asshats. He asked for a place to rent a twin to take a few people up. And he gets a strip torn off of him. Also to the OP, I don't know where you could rent one. But good luck, hell of a way to spend an afternoon.

To the rest of you who went on with the typical BS, go get laid or something. Bloody ridiculous.

[DGuy]

After reading certain comments on this site I can understand why pilots are paid pittens in Canada.
It is almost farcical. One considers himself better than the other.

[Colonel Sanders]

After reading certain comments on this site I can understand why pilots are paid pittens (sic) in Canada

Me too. I personally prefer to be paid in kittens and puppies
for my /r/aww submissions:

It is almost farcical

Can't disagree with you there.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pittance