Southwest B737 LGA 07/22/13

[+RA]

Looks like a nose gear failure:

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/22/southwe ... laguardia/

[RootandFive]

I also suspect the nose gear.

[C208]

I too, suspect the nose gear failed.

[shimmydampner]

Whoa whoa whoa. A bit too early to speculate I'd say. I mean, who's to say this isn't a result of deep cultural flaws within the company? Or perhaps there was a decreasing wunderground shear coefficient localized micro jet burst that went unnoticed by the crew and prevented nose gear extension? Maybe if the crew had been competent in low level outside loops they would have landed without incident? The only thing that can be said for sure is that the crew had better come confess their transgressions here on AvCanada so that Doc can absolve them of their sins lest they spend the rest of their days doomed to wander in aviation-idiot purgatory.

[Chaxterium]

I heard the captain's name is Fo Got Gere.

[CFR]

I too, suspect the nose gear failed.

Really can't tell from the photo, perhaps the mains are over extended?

[cgzro]

Pothole - it is New York after all.

[Bush League]

A reliable witness says that they tried to salvage a high approach and slammed the nose wheel down first. This report should be interesting.

[Go Juice]

Variable tailwind?

[Bush League]

Variable tailwinds on the active happen once and a while at LGA... but more likely its a case of variable decision making abilities. Either you stick it... or try again. Not a lot of room for screwing around in LGA.

[Flying Nutcracker]

Clearly a bad gear-culture. Nose-gear did not want to be part of it.

[Rudy]

Check out what the Koreans are reporting the Captain's name as:

[Troubleshot]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e7_1374557552


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ec_1374546266

[Changes in Latitudes]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e7_1374557552


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ec_1374546266

No flare for this one, it appears.

[J31]

Holly ! Nose gear failed........YA in overload! Pure speculation but from the video's it looks like they forced the nose wheel on first! A 737NG nose gear is beefy and it would take a lot to collapse it.

I hope there is a better explanation but that does not look good.

[CID]

From what I read, the nose gear didn't "collapse". At least not in the traditional sense. It didn't fold up forward into the wheel well, it went backward and smashed through the E bay.

Whoa whoa whoa. A bit too early to speculate I'd say. I mean, who's to say this isn't a result of deep cultural flaws within the company?

I agree. In North America it's important to at least get the names of the pilots so you can name a street after them.....

[CpnCrunch]

Sounds like maybe Southwest hasn't learned anything from 1455.

[GyvAir]

What video are you guys looking at? In the only one I can find of it in motion, the airplane comes into view with the nose gear already collapsed, sparks a-flying.

[J31]

What video are you guys looking at? In the only one I can find of it in motion, the airplane comes into view with the nose gear already collapsed, sparks a-flying.

The first video in this link....from a passenger out his window. Notice how the spoilers are not up, (still airborne) then the nose drops and touchdown appears to be very hard on the nose wheel. As CID points out the nose gear most likely went aft in overload. (Normal retraction is forward)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ec_1374546266

[linecrew]

What is kind of ridiculous in the first video is that the flight attendant is telling the passengers to take their seats because they are "not there yet"...meanwhile both engines have spooled down and thew cabin is sitting at a very odd angle.

[GyvAir]

Thanks, J31; I see what you're talking about now. It's such a short choppy bit of video before the camera falls, I didn't really get much out of it on first watching.

Both wheels and one axle gone... something rather traumatic happened to that gear before it made its way through the belly.

[white_knuckle_flyer]

A reliable witness says that they tried to salvage a high approach and slammed the nose wheel down first.

Is this how you salvage a high approach ?

[pilotbzh]

Would that be 2 unstable approach leading to an accident in a row??? Swallow your pride go around, you don't pay for fuel do you...

[target]

On my last sim in the US last month with a US sim instructor. He advised us that a US plane has to be landed in a specific touch down zone ( could be 1500 ft long) or there is a possiblity of violation. Could be a reason for forcing the nose wheel on?

[boeingboy]

About 4 seconds before touchdown, the plane's pitch was about 2 degrees nose-up, the NTSB revealed. When the plane touched the runway, it was pitched down about 3 degrees, it said.


Oops - remember to keep both hands on the wheel kids!