GTA aerobatics

[FenderManDan]

All I can say GOOD JOB .

http://yrp.ca/docs/press_releases/%5B20 ... 20HILL.pdf

[photofly]

Fascinating to see where that goes. Police officers are not famous for their expertise in deciding what constitutes safe flying.

[checkremarks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLr5iLmcTRY

Well done!

[Jack Klumpus]

Fascinating to see where that goes. Police officers are not famous for their expertise in deciding what constitutes safe flying.

Actually, without getting into personal details the officer who charged him has been a licensed commercial pilot for over 15 years

[Schooner69A]

I would hazard a guess that Mr Nardoni will now know the veracity of the statement "One pass, haul a**". (;>0)

John

[photofly]

Fascinating to see where that goes. Police officers are not famous for their expertise in deciding what constitutes safe flying.

Actually, without getting into personal details the officer who charged him has been a licensed commercial pilot for over 15 years

Without commenting on the specific case, I am not reassured. A pilot who got a CPL 15 years ago but is now working as a policeman is exactly the kind of person with the subject interest and authority to do a lot of damage without necessarily having the judgement to exercise that authority wisely.

If he weren't a policeman would his piloting experience be sufficient for the court to accept him as an expert witness?

Why isn't this something a TC inspector is dealing with? Hopefully not because the policeman assured his Sargeant that "he knows a lot about planes." And also hopefully not just because the pilot made the local plod look like a bunch of boobs for closing roads.

Doesn't smell right. The only reference I can find to a charge of Dangerous Operation (which carries a max penalty of 5 years in prison) is against a pilot who actually killed someone on the ground. This stupid low-level stuff falls a long way short, and should be in TC's hands.

[Schooner69A]

The time to nip this sort of aerial behaviour is now. There is a penalty to be paid for "arsin' about" and a slap on the wrist now may forestall worse exhibitions and sad outcomes in the future. There is a time and a place for low flying, low level aerobatics, etc.; I've done them all, but legally. The problem with low-level manoeuvering over built-up areas is that you can't plead ignorance of the law. However, in the following, there appears to be room for mitigation of severity of sentence if the accused adopts the right attitude... Falling on one's sword may not be required, but a "mea culpa" or two, knuckling of the forelock, and a large dose of humility will work wonders.

More at:
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_ ... or_Vehicle

PS My son followed me into aviation and I passed on the following: "You're allowed to make every mistake in the book, just don't get into the habit of repeating any". I continued: "Having said that, always leave yourself an out; some people never get a second chance".

John

[photofly]

And which are these "roadways" that York Regional Police allegedly closed? It wasn't anything usefully big like the 407 or the 404, or we'd have heard about that on the evening news. Or was it, as the Toronto Star is reporting, that "runways" were closed? Which runways? Buttonville? If the press release intended to say "runways" and not "roadways" then one hopes that the expert CPL-policeman knows the difference between the two better than whoever drafted the release.

[bizjets101]

They closed Bayview Ave between Elgin Mills and Major Mack - busy day - fatal bicycle accident on Elgin Mills in the morning and airplane buzzing around in the evening.

[Rookie50]

Hammer the dude. There's no place for that whatsoever.

[AirFrame]

In a 172? Isn't that like taking your mom's Pontiac Acadian out and cruising the strip?

[checkremarks]

In a 172? Isn't that like taking your mom's Pontiac Acadian out and cruising the strip?

The plane was rented from a flying club. Most flying clubs only have 172's or 150's.

+1 if he had done that in a twin like a seminole or seneca or even a twin comanche

[CFR]

In a 172? Isn't that like taking your mom's Pontiac Acadian out and cruising the strip?

The plane was rented from a flying club. Most flying clubs only have 172's or 150's.

+1 if he had done that in a twin like a seminole or seneca or even a twin comanche

Future rentals might be an issue.

[North Shore]

Hammer the dude. There's no place for that whatsoever.

I don't know about hammering him, but buddy needs to seriously think about the dumbassedness of his flying in that particular instance for a while before he gets to touch the face of god again..

(hope he's not planning on making a career out of this, now that his name is splashed all over the news in conjunction with low-level aerobatics over a built up area....)

[Jack Klumpus]

Fascinating to see where that goes. Police officers are not famous for their expertise in deciding what constitutes safe flying.

Actually, without getting into personal details the officer who charged him has been a licensed commercial pilot for over 15 years

Without commenting on the specific case, I am not reassured. A pilot who got a CPL 15 years ago but is now working as a policeman is exactly the kind of person with the subject interest and authority to do a lot of damage without necessarily having the judgement to exercise that authority wisely.

If he weren't a policeman would his piloting experience be sufficient for the court to accept him as an expert witness?

Why isn't this something a TC inspector is dealing with? Hopefully not because the policeman assured his Sargeant that "he knows a lot about planes." And also hopefully not just because the pilot made the local plod look like a bunch of boobs for closing roads.

Doesn't smell right. The only reference I can find to a charge of Dangerous Operation (which carries a max penalty of 5 years in prison) is against a pilot who actually killed someone on the ground. This stupid low-level stuff falls a long way short, and should be in TC's hands.

Your post is filled with per-judged and skewed scenarios, that I will not even touch. Why did you assume so many things? You always think this way?

Did you see th video of this stunt? This pilot did the damage to himself. Don't try to project the blame on anyone other than his irresponsible behavior.

[Jack Klumpus]

CARs 602.1 & 602.12

Aren't those taught at the P-star level?

[erics2b]

CARs 602.1 & 602.12

Aren't those taught at the P-star level?

I was unaware that the York Regional Police was the enforcing agency of the CARs.

[Jack Klumpus]

CARs 602.1 & 602.12

Aren't those taught at the P-star level?

I was unaware that the York Regional Police was the enforcing agency of the CARs.

What made you think they were?

[Jack Klumpus]

Canadian Criminal Law/Offences/Dangerous Operation of a Motor Vehicle

249. (1) Every one commits an offence who operates


(c) an aircraft in a manner that is dangerous to the public, having regard to all the circumstances, including the nature and condition of that aircraft or the place or air space in or through which the aircraft is operated; or
(2) Every one who commits an offence under subsection (1)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; and
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
– CCC

[Jack Klumpus]

then one hopes that the expert CPL-policeman knows the difference between the two better than whoever drafted the release.

The expert CPL policeman? Too funny! Why the hate and immiturity? Did a cop sleep with your gf or something?

York has one officer. He/she walk the beat, arrest, investigate, judge, and also write news articles for the press

[Jack Klumpus]

And which are these "roadways" that York Regional Police allegedly closed? It wasn't anything usefully big like the 407 or the 404, or we'd have heard about that on the evening news. Or was it, as the Toronto Star is reporting, that "runways" were closed? Which runways? Buttonville? If the press release intended to say "runways" and not "roadways" then one hopes that the expert CPL-policeman knows the difference between the two better than whoever drafted the release.

Or, if, what if, which, when, where.....

You know what they say about assuming ya?

Stick to the facts man. Why are you trying to make something out of nothing? Must be hard living that way.

The York regional police had its press release which did not mention any runway.

Let me ask you, for educational purposes; do you think police officers write the articles for the Toronto star?

[PilotDAR]

This kind of reckless flying should not be tolerated by society or the pilot community. It is immature and casts every pilot n a poor image by association. All pilots have an obligation to all other pilots to not only fly with good safety in mind, but to be appearing to do so. This pilot gets no sympathy from me.

I have great confidence that any police officer who is, or has been a pilot, and even those officers with only a passing awareness of aviation could make a goo case for prosecution on this one. Yes, if TC Enforcement witnessed the event they would have the direct path to enforcement, but all police and TC are responsible for public safety. I certainly do not make unfounded assumptions about the credibility of police when they defend public safety!

The police who will take action on this, are working not only in societies interest, but also ours as pilots. Anything that we as pilots do to criticism the police for their action or qualification to prosecute this kind of flying just erodes our own public credibility.

In my opinion, the punishment for this pilot should include enough of a "time out" from piloting so he has time to mature a lot - I would think that a decade on the ground would do it nicely....

[Colonel Sanders]

Perhaps a charge of murder would be both timely and appropriate.

Personally I think a charge of treason would be reasonable. According
to the same newspapers that reported this incident, Stephen Harper is
guilty of treason for allowing Verizon to do business in Canada:

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... f-treason/

So this kid is surely guilty of treason as well as murder.

[photofly]

The York regional police had its press release which did not mention any runway.

Let me ask you, for educational purposes; do you think police officers write the articles for the Toronto star?

Compare the Star article as published, and the press release, and you'll have the answer to your own question.

[photofly]

]I have great confidence that any police officer who is, or has been a pilot, and even those officers with only a passing awareness of aviation could make a goo case for prosecution on this one

Dangerous Operation is a serious criminal offence; it gets up to 5 years jail time.


I'm not making light of the idiocy of what the pilot did, or seeking to excuse it. But the only account of a pilot being charged with Dangerous Operation that I can find was after someone was killed. Who here was harmed? And where is the clear evidence of danger?

TC has a wide range of enforcement penalties for CARs violations, which is probably where this should be handled. Those include heavy fines, and time out from flying for the pilot.


So lets see how the evidence stacks up in court. TC enforcement action needs to meet a much lower evidential bar than a criminal charge, and I'm sure you guys in the hang'em and flog'em brigade would hate to see the charges dropped because the Crown or the Beak doesn't think the charge is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Did it look dangerous? Certainly, if you're a member of the public. Was it *actually* dangerous? Can you prove it? Remember please, the charge here is not "bringing GA into disrepute" even if some of you think that merits jail time on its own.